Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Peter Kirk" <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>]

Maybe. You have missed EKLELOIPASIN in Hos 13:2, which like 1Ki 19:18 is in
the context of idol worship; LXX seems confused but perhaps the point in
both of these is a reluctance to state make it explicit that worshippers
kissed idols. Also the sense "arm oneself" in 1CH 12:2; 2CH 17:17; PSA 78:9
just might be relevant.

But I see these data as proving my point. Sure, the LXX translators used a
literal word for "kiss" in the context of proper family relationships, and
where the context is clearly disapproving as in Proverbs 7:13. But in the
three places, 1Ki 19:18, Hos 13:2 and Psa 2:12 where the context might be
taken as encouraging "immoral" kissing, the translation has been adjusted in
one way or another. Coincidence? But maybe the reason for the confused
solutions in LXX is that the euphemisms had been introduced into the Hebrew
text the translators were using.

Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of c stirling bartholomew
> Sent: 28 May 2003 22:29
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ur-textual possibilities between MT and LXX onPsa.
> 2:12
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Here is a summary of how neshaq is rendered in the LXX,
> 
> DRASSOMAI Psa. 2:12 where LEH suggests that it represents a different
> reading.
> 
> 
> ************
> LEH entry for DRASSOMAI
> 
> Lv 2:2; 5:12; Nm 5:26; Ps 2:12; Jdt 13:7 4:41 to grasp, to lay hold of
> [tino"] Jdt 13:7; to take (by handfuls)  [ti] Lv 2:2;
>     *Ps 2:12 dravxasqe -nsw or ns¹w to accept  for MT nshqw kiss
>     Cf. DUBARLE 1955, 510-511; HELBING 1928, 128
> 
> *******************
> 
> KATEFILHSAN
> 
> LEH- Gn 31:28; 32:1; 45:15; Ex 4:27; 1 Sm 20:41
>     to kiss, to embrace  [tina] (between relatives) Gn 31:28; id.  [tina]
> (in greeting) 2 Sm 14:33; id.  [ti] Sir 29:5; to embrace each other
> (metaph.) Ps 84(85):11 ...
> 
> PSA. 84:11 ELEOS KAI ALHQEIA SUNHNTHSAN DIKAIOSUNH KAI EIRHNH KATEFILHSAN
> 
> *********************
> 
> EFILHSEN
> 
> LEH - to love  [tina] Est 10:3; to kiss  [tina] (between parents and
> children) Gn 27:26; id.  [tina] (between a whore and a man) Prv 7:13; to
> like, to be fond of  [ti] Prv 21:17; to kiss ...
> 
> EX. 18:7 EXHLQEN DE MWUSHS EIS SUNANTHSIN TWi GAMBRWi AUTOU KAI
> PROSEKUNHSEN
> AUTWi KAI EFILHSEN AUTON KAI HSPASANTO ALLHLOUS KAI EISHGAGEN AUTON EIS
> THN
> SKHNHN
> 
> 
> ***************
> 
> 
> PROSKUNEVW
> 
> LEH - to fall down and worship, to do reverence to, to do obeisance to, to
> prostrate oneself before, to salute  [abs.] Gn 18:2; id.  [tini] (to
pers.)
> Gn 27:29; to fall down and worship  [tini] (to God) Gn 24:26; id.  [tini]
> (to idols) Ps 96(97):7; id.  [tina] (to pers.) Gn 37:9; id.  [tina] (to
> God)
> JgsA 7:15; id.  [ti] Gn 37:7; to bow down, to beg, to plead, to implore
> Ex
> 11:8 ...
> 
> 1KINGS 19:18 KAI KATALEIYEIS EN ISRAHL hEPTA CILIADAS ANDRWN PANTA GONATA
> hA
> OUK WKLASAN GONU TWi BAAL KAI PAN STOMA hO OU PROSEKUNHSEN AUTWi
> 
> *********
> 
> You will note that out of the 40 examples I looked at in E.Tov's MT/LXX
> database only 1KINGS 19:18 supplants the notion of kissing with something
> else, worshiping. This doesn't make a case for euphanism in the LXX in
> regard to neshaq. I think the LEH editors have done a good job here in
> regard to DRASSOMAI  in Psa. 2:12.
> 
> greetings, Clay
> 
> 
> 
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