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[Eric Sandall <eric AT sandall.us>]

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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I sincerely ask you to please keep your anger and whining at bay. For a
> long time now, I'm not interested in knowing your emotional state.
> You're not the only one who can fix it. So, if it doesn't entertain you
> to be informal and discuss things on the list, feel free to ignore my
> requests. When I need your attention, I'll gladly file a bug.
> And please, don't touch line 821 of gaze, there are more important
> things to be busy with.
>
> Sergey.
>
> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 21:53 -0700, Andrew wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:19:02AM -0400, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:49 -0700, Andrew wrote:
> > > > > Should I file a bug? Thanks, Sergey.

Usually if this question is to be asked then the answer will be,
"Yes".

> > > > What would make you think otherwise?

Here, a simple, "Yes, please do as that is our policy" probably would
have gone over better, however hindsight is a silly tool.

> > > Answer: realization that it may be easier to fix it than to file a bug
> > > about it.

Even if a fix is easy it should still be documented and go through the
normal process so that we can track the issue (e.g. in case it breaks
other parts of the code).

> > Heres a realization, I have other things to do than to remember every
> > problem people report on the mailing list from begining to end. My memory
> > is better spent on other things.
> >
> > Nor do I have time or energy to drop *everything* and fix the problem
> > *right now* just because it *may* be "easier". Thats what bugzilla is
> > for, it remembers so I dont have to. Bugzilla is very good at tracking
> > defects throughout their life-cycle, a mailing list is not.
> > I like to have every single bug associated with a release recorded in
> > bugzilla.
> >
> > The mailing list is not a bug reporting tool. Don't report bugs on it
> > unless you want them to be forgotten within a day or two. In two days
> > I will *not* remember this email thread. We use bugzilla for a reason,
> > just like we use version control for a reason.
> >
> > I dont understand why its so difficult to spend 20 seconds filing a bug.
> > Everyone else reports their problems to bugzilla, I am not going to make
> > this an exception, if I did I'd have to make everyone else an
> > exception. So, please file bugs when you have problems.
> >
> > I dont play the bad guy on reporting bugs to bugzilla (!) just to be
> > annoying. I know you think that the problem is so trivial I should just
> > look at it and fix it on the spot. I dont believe in having problems
> > go untracked. I think we should use the appropriate tools rather than
> > seeking to subvert or skip them. If it isnt in bugzilla, as far as I
> > am concerned, it isn't a bug. If people can't handler that notion, then
> > find someone else to do this job.
> >
> > So in conclusion, "mailing list != bugzilla" and "report bugs to
> > bugzilla, not the mailing list". Why? Because Andrew is forgetful
> > and busy.
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> > PS Im on the mailing list, you dont have to send a duplicate reply to me.

I did not see anger in Andrew's reply but rather a reply (not
necessarily directed at one single person, as others also report bugs
to the mailing list rather than bugzilla) about using our bug database
for bugs.

Andrew is not the only person who sees bugs assigned to the Sorcery
Team (other members of the Sorcery Team, other developers, myself, and
anyone who wants can view them[0]), but he is the one who decides on
priority of those bugs. So even if Andrew has other bugs on a higher
priority there may be other developers who're willing to submit a
patch that fixes this which Andrew could then integrate in with
minimal time spent on it.

There's no need to get personal about this. Keep in mind that our
mailing lists are open to anyone and anyone can talk about what they
want (including discussing bugs or possible bugs).

While none of us are paid to work on SMGL we can still act like
professionals and try to stick to the technical discussion. If people
do have problems, please bring them up to me, but preferably off-list
(unless I'm the problem, then you may want to appeal to the group ;)).

- -sandalle

[0] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/sm-sorcery-bugs

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Eric Sandall                     |  Source Mage GNU/Linux Developer
eric AT sandall.us                  |  http://www.sourcemage.org/
http://eric.sandall.us/          |  SysAdmin @ Inst. Shock Physics @ WSU
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