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[Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>]

You need to calm down.

Theres simply a policy that when you hit a problem, you file a bug. As
VP of technology you should realize that processes and policies are a
good thing. So you'll pardon me for trying to enforce that policy,
even upon a "VP of technology". Like I said, I dont do it to be annoying,
nor proud, nor childish, I do it because I have a policy, and Im
delegating the work of filing a bug to you.

As for your inflamitory accusations of me being "proud" or "childish",
you know very little about me, and you look very shallowly at my
motivations. I urge you to look a little deeper than just your knee-jerk
reaction to everything I have to say. And please take your insults elsewhere,
they are not beneficial.

As for cooperativeness, you are being very uncooperative by not filing
a bug like I've asked. So, realize that you arent exactly the innocent
victim here.

Im not going to play this game with you anymore. Its always the same,
you make an effort to provoke someone, when they respond, even if there
is only a percieved amount of provocation in their response you play
the innocent victim and blow up on them. I've watched you do it to me
and to other people for a long time now too.

Im done with this thread. If you want to file a bug like I've requested,
I will be more than happy to take care of line 821 of gaze.

-Andrew

On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 01:04:01AM -0400, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> Please stop this, you're so proud of whatever it is you're produ of that
> it stinks. I'm a member of the executive team (my title is VP
> Technology), I manage several teams and engagements for million-dollar
> projects, and yet I don't use "busy" as a good excuse. So, this is the
> last time I'm tolerating your childish behavior. One thing I always do
> during interviews is gauge candidate's cooperativeness, and I can
> honestly tell you that you wouldn't have a snowball chance in hell.
> Think about it.
> 
> Sergey.

Followed by:

> Andrew,
> 
> I sincerely ask you to please keep your anger and whining at bay. For a
> long time now, I'm not interested in knowing your emotional state.
> You're not the only one who can fix it. So, if it doesn't entertain you
> to be informal and discuss things on the list, feel free to ignore my 
> requests. When I need your attention, I'll gladly file a bug.
> And please, don't touch line 821 of gaze, there are more important     
> things to be busy with.
> 
> Sergey.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 21:53 -0700, Andrew wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:19:02AM -0400, Sergey A. Lipnevich wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:49 -0700, Andrew wrote:
> > > > > Should I file a bug? Thanks, Sergey.
> > > > 
> > > > What would make you think otherwise?
> > > 
> > > Answer: realization that it may be easier to fix it than to file a bug
> > > about it.
> > 
> > Heres a realization, I have other things to do than to remember every
> > problem people report on the mailing list from begining to end. My memory
> > is better spent on other things.
> > 
> > Nor do I have time or energy to drop *everything* and fix the problem
> > *right now* just because it *may* be "easier". Thats what bugzilla is
> > for, it remembers so I dont have to. Bugzilla is very good at tracking
> > defects throughout their life-cycle, a mailing list is not.
> > I like to have every single bug associated with a release recorded in
> > bugzilla.
> > 
> > The mailing list is not a bug reporting tool. Don't report bugs on it
> > unless you want them to be forgotten within a day or two. In two days
> > I will *not* remember this email thread. We use bugzilla for a reason,
> > just like we use version control for a reason.
> > 
> > I dont understand why its so difficult to spend 20 seconds filing a bug.
> > Everyone else reports their problems to bugzilla, I am not going to make
> > this an exception, if I did I'd have to make everyone else an
> > exception. So, please file bugs when you have problems.
> > 
> > I dont play the bad guy on reporting bugs to bugzilla (!) just to be
> > annoying. I know you think that the problem is so trivial I should just
> > look at it and fix it on the spot. I dont believe in having problems
> > go untracked. I think we should use the appropriate tools rather than
> > seeking to subvert or skip them. If it isnt in bugzilla, as far as I
> > am concerned, it isn't a bug. If people can't handler that notion, then
> > find someone else to do this job.
> > 
> > So in conclusion, "mailing list != bugzilla" and "report bugs to
> > bugzilla, not the mailing list". Why? Because Andrew is forgetful
> > and busy.
> > 
> > -Andrew
> > 
> > PS Im on the mailing list, you dont have to send a duplicate reply to me.
> > 
> -- 
> Sergey A. Lipnevich <sergey AT optimaltec.com>
> Optimal Technologies