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[Flavien Bridault <f.bridault AT fra.net>]

Le Dimanche 13 Février 2005 21:18, Arjan Bouter a écrit :
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:44:00 +0100
>
> Flavien Bridault <f.bridault AT fra.net> wrote:
> > Well I just commited the warning and the config file example...
> >
> > The last changes of udev spell highlight some problems for me...
> >
> > I really appreciate the help of general gurus, however, I would like to
> > be informed of the changes they made in my section. Yes, you read well,
> > disk section is maintained !!! ;-p
> > I think there are enough bugs in others sections (1 in disk, about 230 in
> > the rest of the grimoire), and especially in the unmaintained sections,
> > to give enough work for all general gurus ;-p
> >
> > Well, I didn't have to complain before... In general, nothing has caused
> > problems. Why this time ??
> > *Three* general gurus have modified the udev spell in three days :
> >     - updated the spell to 0.51, ok....
> >     - modified udev.rules to match new version, ok....
> >     - then first bug, but quickly corrected by a general guru, almost 
> > before
>
> I apologise for editing the udev spell without letting you know, I just
> happened to be around on #sourcemage when the 1st user ran into trouble
> after updating his box. Which forced me to make a choice: either downgrade
> the spell to the previous version or apply an 'emergency fix'.
>
> A bad call it might have been, but it seemed better than waiting for more
> users to boot into a dead udev...
>
> > reporting... Well that was not too serious...
> > (http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8215)
> >     - second bug then, corrected by your disk section maintainer (thanks 
> > to
> >     Paul
> > Mahon) http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8216
> >
> > But the most serious problem is that users *have not been informed* of
> > the config files changes !!! Some of them complain on IRC of having spent
> > hours to find why they have troubles with their boxes !!! A simple
> > warning message, as I just did, should have been sufficient...
> > I find this is really not very serious to made such a change on a so
> > important
> >
> > spell, without any notification... Please stop think that *everybody*
> > read the ML or IRC channels...
>
> Shouldn't we at least expect the gurus to read the mailing lists? If they
> did this would never had happened:
>       From: Arwed von Merkatz
>       To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
>       Subject: [SM-Discuss] udev changes coming soon
>       Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:09:00 +0100
>
> This mail warned us well in advance that this would happen...

I wanted to talk about normal users that didn't not know there was such a 
change, not about me ;-) 
I obviously read about this thread and two another, even if I didn't write in 
them. I begin to think I should did, in order to tell that I will do the 
update. Maybe a lack of communication from me... :-/

>
> > Well I hope I didn't made all general gurus my ennemies, all I want to
> > have, is more communication. It is true that I'm not all time on IRC, but
> > you can still mail me. Don't forget that when you made changes that cause
> > a bug, this is the section maintainer who have to correct your bug.
> >
> > I think I'm not a too bad guru, so please give me some truth... I could
> > have done the udev update by myself.
> > If you want to maintain it by yourself, please tell me. (or move it to
> > another
> >
> > section, I still don't understand why udev is in disk section, as it is
> > not restricted to "disks" :-p )
> >
> > Thanks in advance, I hope my words will be not misunderstood and that we
> > can now work better together. :-)
>
> Sounds good to me :)
> And I've got only one thing to add, please test spells before submitting
> them ;)
>
> Arjan
> (abouter)
>
> > --
> > Flavien Bridault
> > Source Mage GNU/Linux - Disk Guru
> >
> > IRC : vlaaad
> > Jabber : vlaaad AT amessage.be
> >
> > http://www.sourcemage.org

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Flavien Bridault
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