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  • From: Arjan Bouter <abouter AT sourcemage.org>
  • To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [smgl] Re: [SM-Discuss] udev.permissions
  • Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:18:14 +0100

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:44:00 +0100
Flavien Bridault <f.bridault AT fra.net> wrote:

> Well I just commited the warning and the config file example...
>
> The last changes of udev spell highlight some problems for me...
>
> I really appreciate the help of general gurus, however, I would like to be
> informed of the changes they made in my section. Yes, you read well, disk
> section is maintained !!! ;-p
> I think there are enough bugs in others sections (1 in disk, about 230 in
> the
> rest of the grimoire), and especially in the unmaintained sections, to give
> enough work for all general gurus ;-p
>
> Well, I didn't have to complain before... In general, nothing has caused
> problems. Why this time ??
> *Three* general gurus have modified the udev spell in three days :
> - updated the spell to 0.51, ok....
> - modified udev.rules to match new version, ok....
> - then first bug, but quickly corrected by a general guru, almost
> before

I apologise for editing the udev spell without letting you know, I just
happened
to be around on #sourcemage when the 1st user ran into trouble after updating
his box. Which forced me to make a choice: either downgrade the spell to the
previous version or apply an 'emergency fix'.

A bad call it might have been, but it seemed better than waiting for more
users
to boot into a dead udev...

>
> reporting... Well that was not too serious...
> (http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8215)
> - second bug then, corrected by your disk section maintainer (thanks
> to
> Paul
> Mahon) http://bugs.sourcemage.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8216
>
> But the most serious problem is that users *have not been informed* of the
> config files changes !!! Some of them complain on IRC of having spent hours
> to find why they have troubles with their boxes !!! A simple warning
> message,
> as I just did, should have been sufficient...
> I find this is really not very serious to made such a change on a so
> important
>
> spell, without any notification... Please stop think that *everybody* read
> the ML or IRC channels...

Shouldn't we at least expect the gurus to read the mailing lists? If they did
this would never had happened:

From: Arwed von Merkatz
To: sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [SM-Discuss] udev changes coming soon
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:09:00 +0100

This mail warned us well in advance that this would happen...

>
> Well I hope I didn't made all general gurus my ennemies, all I want to
> have,
> is more communication. It is true that I'm not all time on IRC, but you can
> still mail me. Don't forget that when you made changes that cause a bug,
> this
> is the section maintainer who have to correct your bug.
>
> I think I'm not a too bad guru, so please give me some truth... I could
> have
> done the udev update by myself.
> If you want to maintain it by yourself, please tell me. (or move it to
> another
>
> section, I still don't understand why udev is in disk section, as it is not
> restricted to "disks" :-p )
>
> Thanks in advance, I hope my words will be not misunderstood and that we
> can
> now work better together. :-)

Sounds good to me :)
And I've got only one thing to add, please test spells before submitting them
;)

Arjan
(abouter)

> --
> Flavien Bridault
> Source Mage GNU/Linux - Disk Guru
>
> IRC : vlaaad
> Jabber : vlaaad AT amessage.be
>
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>

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