permaculture

[Georg Parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>]

Lawrence,

>>> someone can create a Google Group PISS (permaculture invisible systems
>> and
>>> structures)
>> 
>> ROTFLOL
>> 
> ...
> …
> You might disagree with me Georg.

please do not get me wrong - sorry when I was unclear here. I personally feel 
that a discussion of invisible structures is a highly impoertant part of why 
I am on this international list. Nut’n’bolts info is valuable, and I think 
none of us can ever have too much of that, but I feel that for the visible 
structures there are plenty of good solutions around, locally and beyond. 
Even 50% of what I know about them right now and my design training and 
experience would be ample enough IF I could and would apply them unhindered 
by the current invisible structures in place. So discussion on HOW we can 
design and implement WHICH invisible structures is highly needed. 

I think we can also all agree on the notion, that interlocking our horns on 
our favoured propaganda-fed belief systems is something we could do without - 
BUT in order to grow in our inner freedom from those influences it might need 
some of that. It might be helpful in realizing or discriminating between, 
what are original thougths and what are propaganda-driven emotional reactions 
to distorted perception of reality. This is tricky business, and I appreciate 
these discussions.

I interpreted that naming the invisible structures group PISS as a Freudian 
sign of you being pissed about said confrontations.

I personally think that a separate group for this would attract little 
attention and soon die. To this mix is a good solution, in spite of some 
pleople signing off ever now and then.

Georg
(Vienna, Austria, EU)