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  • From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Is it Satirical irony or
  • Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 08:58:22 -0400

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Amy Little <amylittle@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> Whoa! I didn't know these folks followed Ayn Rand!
>

I haven't seen much of that lately probably because they keep it under
wraps but in the past it was prominently displayed
along with the divine right of people to get rich from permaculture, geting
rich ahead of everything alse about permaculture.
Some low hanging fruit: She has a problem with savages; they obviously
don't know much about money, or care.
"Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's
whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is
the process of setting man free from men."
Absurd.
“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That
sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter.”
Here is the kicker:
"[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land and there was no
reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and
were not using.... What was it they were fighting for, if they opposed
white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive
existence, their "right" to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and
not even as property, just keep everybody out so that you will live
practically like an animal, or maybe a few caves above it. Any white person
who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this
continent."
"Now, I don't care to discuss the alleged complaints American Indians have
against this country. I believe, with good reason, the most unsympathetic
Hollywood portrayal of Indians and what they did to the white man. They had
no right to a country merely because they were born here and then acted
like savages. The white man did not *conquer* this country. And you're a
racist if you object, because it means you believe that certain men are
entitled to something because of their race. You believe that if someone is
born in a magnificent country and doesn't know what to do with it, he still
has a property right to it. He does not. Since the Indians did not have the
concept of property or property rights--they didn't have a settled society,
they had predominantly nomadic tribal "cultures"--they didn't have rights
to the land, and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights that
they had not conceived of and were not using. It's wrong to attack a
country that respects (or even tries to respect) individual rights. If you
do, you're an aggressor and are morally wrong. But if a "country" does not
protect rights--if a group of tribesmen are the slaves of their tribal
chief--why should you respect the "rights" that they don't have or respect?
The same is true for a dictatorship. The citizens in it have individual
rights, but the country has no rights and so anyone has the right to invade
it, because rights are not recognized in that country; and no individual or
country can have its cake and eat it too--that is, you can't claim one
should respect the "rights" of Indians, when they had no concept of rights
and no respect for rights. But let's suppose they were all beautifully
innocent savages--which they certainly were not. What were they fighting
for, in opposing the white man on this continent? For their wish to
continue a primitive existnece; for their "right" to keep part of the earth
untouched--to keep everybody out so they could live like animals or
cavemen. Any European who brought with him an element of civilization had
the right to take over this continent, and it's great that some of them
did. The racist Indians today--those who condemn America--do not respect
individual rights."
Public Television showed a documentary on the Wounded Knee confrontation
between the Indians and the FBI at Wounded Knee. If you are interested in
American Indian culture you might want to try to find this video. It does
not in any way excuse the illegality of the violence committed by those
Indians and it goes into great detail about what those who opposed them
did. Take special note of the Indian chanting by a male and a female singer
at the beginning and end of this movie. It is one of the most beautiful and
haunting pieces of music I have ever heard.
--
Lawrence F. London
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