permaculture

[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

Case in point Steve, a classic post or micro essay of great importance.
This is one of your very best posts and one of the best from anyone I have
seen since this list began in 1992.
I will expand on some of you points in a followup after chow, mail, enjoy
the breezes and try to find some wild mustard to eat tomorrow.

LL


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well....like it or not it is here to stay. so lets work with it as a
> positive zone / area to work with rather than against. That is Zone
> 00...the head space. Zone zero is in fact the design of the house or the
> office...what exists primarily inside the walls of the building within the
> key landscape. How we design our kitchens, dining living and utilities,
> this is Zone 0. All zones as we know have many different elements,
> functions, needs, and energies. I work a lot with the principle of edge
> harmonics, or maximising the edge. There is considerable edge to play with
> from one zone to the next. I have met with Z00 often in my design world not
> only with individual clients but corporates as well. I have found it an
> interesting and many times if not most times, an extremely important zone
> to fully consider. I recall one client calling me her "dreamweaver". In
> many cases we are challenging their inner space, their values, their
> principles, beliefs, spirituality, and certainly their conditioned
> patterns. This is the Z00. IMO it increases our capacity and ability as a
> designer. It also increases out capacity to get the design right. Without
> it we are cutting ourselves and our clients short.
>
> The other reality is that we see the development of Z00 in many people
> entering the world of Permaculture. To many the journey is life changing.
> All of us I'm sure know someone who has experienced such a change. This is
> Z00.....it took many of us some time to realise that Biodynamics is in fact
> not fairies in the bottom of the garden.....Steve Hart
>
>
> On 7 July 2014 19:20, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Permaculture is full of dumb terms, not sure why this would be any
> > different.  Even the word permaculture itself has become so
> > misunderstood so as not to mean anything in common parlance.  The
> > majority of the people who use the term around these parts use it to
> > refer to annual gardening and maybe doing some sheet mulching.  That
> > use of it hasn't changed around here since I moved to these parts in
> > the early 90s.
> >
> > And more to your point, her use of the term Zone Zero had almost
> > nothing to do with the permaculture zone system except for maybe
> > that's how she came to using it whan she was teaching school kids...
> > & as a yoga teacher and a dancer and performance artist she was far
> > more interested in using it to refer to the somatics of the body and
> > the space immediately around the body and way, moving moving moving.
> >
> > carry on,
> >
> > ~mIEKAL
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/driftlessgrove
> > https://www.facebook.com/beyondvineyard
> > http://dreamtimevillage.org
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Elizabeth's essay, which is beautiful and compelling, also illustrates
> > my point perfectly. Zone Zero in her use is not a zone and is not used to
> > design with like any zone. It's just a word to mean "the inner state of
> the
> > designer" that has nothing to do with zones. She, nor anyone else I've
> ever
> > seen, has used it as a zone that can have elements placed in it or be
> > arranged with respect to frequency of use, or has any thing else in
> common
> > with zones. For the 90th time, I am not arguing that personal work is
> > unimportant. I'm arguing that Zone 0 is a dumb term for it.
> > >
> > > Steve, I'm surprised (okay, not really, given your general orneriness)
> > at your crack about who appointed me god. You repeatedly criticize that
> > permaculture is being weakened and watered down, and zone 0 is a perfect
> > example--I would have thought you glad to see someone else is concerned
> > about standards and would support it instead of throwing snark (and who
> > appointed you god to do so?). We're all gods in permaculture--that is,
> this
> > is a system that is regulated from inside, and it's up to each of us to
> try
> > to keep the standards high.
> > >
> > > Toby
> > > http://patternliteracy.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:05 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> My first wife, who made her living as a yoga teacher and a teacher of
> > improvisation in the arts, used the idea of Zone Zero constantly in her
> > classes and teaching.  Here's an essay she wrote about Zone Zero that was
> > widely circulated in the mid 90s.
> > >>
> > >> http://dreamtimevillage.org/articles/taking_off_zone_zero.html
> > >>
> > >> I should qualify this post by saying she was an anarchist and was
> never
> > interested in Permaculture with a capital.  Sadly for all of us, she died
> > suddenly of pancreatic cancer in 2004.
> > >>
> > >> ~mIEKAL
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:08 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> ZONE 00...I too have a degree of disquiet about Z00....as Mollison
> > >>> said...it was never part of the curriculum...but hey try and tell
> that
> > to
> > >>> the thousands out there who are seriously committed to this sector.
> So
> > >>> perhaps the problem is the solution...work with it not against it.
> > After
> > >>> all there are a lot of people, more every day it seems, that need
> this
> > >>> designing or often redesigning. A bit like reinventing ? Often too
> > great a
> > >>> Design Challenge.
> > >>>
> > >>> Like Biodynamics...Mollison said ..ahh thatsFairies at the bottom of
> > the
> > >>> garden shit...but when one actually takes the time to scratch the
> > surface
> > >>> and explore the deeper corridors there we see tremendous opportunity
> > and
> > >>> value not wise to ignore.
> > >>>
> > >>> Besides who invited you Toby to be the god in " cleaning up
> > ambiguities and
> > >>> logical inconsistencies that weaken permaculture terminology" ?
> Perhaps
> > >>> better time spent on cleaning up all the standards or lack of them as
> > per
> > >>> Scott Pittman's recent podcast. God bless you...Steve Hart
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6 July 2014 22:57, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I've posted some thoughts on why I think zone 00 as the state of the
> > >>>> designer's mind is a bad term.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's at:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > http://www.patternliteracy.com/816-zone-00-right-intentions-wrong-term
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Zone 00: Right Intentions, Wrong Term
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "One of my pet projects is to clean up the ambiguities and logical
> > >>>> inconsistencies that weaken permaculture terminology. Today I take
> > aim at
> > >>>> the term Zone 00, used to mean either the designer or user of a
> > >>>> permaculture design, or their inner state. It’s a concept spawned by
> > good
> > >>>> intentions, but calling it a zone is logically inconsistent,
> > redundant, and
> > >>>> worst of all, has no design use. The designer’s mind is a crucial
> > >>>> influence, but it’s not a zone. If it’s an influence on a design,
> that
> > >>>> makes it a sector, right? (If you just slapped your forehead and
> said
> > >>>> “Doh!” then you need read no further.) So let’s stop using the term
> > zone
> > >>>> 00."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Enjoy!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Toby
> > >>>> http://patternliteracy.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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>
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> *Steve Hart*
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>



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