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[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

That is a very fine essay, just amazing. With this, Elizabeth made a
significant contribution to the evolution or co-evolution *see WEC, CoEQ*
of the Permaculture movement.

Funny thing, and Toby is free to criticize this notion, that in keeping
with Mollison's statement that the only limits to a permaculture design are
any limits to the imagination of the designer,
it is only natural or permanatural that the Zone 00 or 0 concept would come
into being. Specifically, just thinking and wondering about it as a
legitimate Zone used in Permaculture design,
is energizing and opens doors to creativity ad speculation, useful in the
early stages of creating a formal Permaculture Design. I suggest that it is
useful just as Biodynamics is useful,
and enlightening. The fact that one engaging in this process may become
distanced from conventional reality should be no impediment to continuing
along this path as learning, synthesis
of ideas and development of methodology proceed. The more I think about it
the more I like including Zone 00 (why is it 00 and not 0 or does the
latter refer to something else) in the teaching and design process even
though it may not seem "on the ground" practical or "useful" or too much
above the heads of the public-at-large new to permaculture and wanting to
know more about it with hopes of integrating it into their lives. Zone 00
may be a great tool to get people to stop and think, observe and create. In
the news lately was a study about how people often prefer to be shocked
(maybe they meant zapped during a lab experiment) rather than have to spend
much time alone with themselves and their thoughts. Question: Does a Zone
00 have any practical use for the permaculture consultant, teacher or
prospective student? What is you are hired to provide Permaculture
consultation for a site or project? Do you include Zone 00 in the design as
a thought process the client engages in after the design is implemented,
ostensibly to sustain the site and incrementally add to its complexity and
resilience? This is a fascinating discussion!
Steve, your turn.
LL


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:05 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

> My first wife, who made her living as a yoga teacher and a teacher of
> improvisation in the arts, used the idea of Zone Zero constantly in her
> classes and teaching.  Here's an essay she wrote about Zone Zero that was
> widely circulated in the mid 90s.
>
> http://dreamtimevillage.org/articles/taking_off_zone_zero.html
>
> I should qualify this post by saying she was an anarchist and was never
> interested in Permaculture with a capital.  Sadly for all of us, she died
> suddenly of pancreatic cancer in 2004.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:08 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
>
> > ZONE 00...I too have a degree of disquiet about Z00....as Mollison
> > said...it was never part of the curriculum...but hey try and tell that to
> > the thousands out there who are seriously committed to this sector. So
> > perhaps the problem is the solution...work with it not against it. After
> > all there are a lot of people, more every day it seems, that need this
> > designing or often redesigning. A bit like reinventing ? Often too great
> a
> > Design Challenge.
> >
> > Like Biodynamics...Mollison said ..ahh thatsFairies at the bottom of the
> > garden shit...but when one actually takes the time to scratch the surface
> > and explore the deeper corridors there we see tremendous opportunity and
> > value not wise to ignore.
> >
> > Besides who invited you Toby to be the god in " cleaning up ambiguities
> and
> > logical inconsistencies that weaken permaculture terminology" ? Perhaps
> > better time spent on cleaning up all the standards or lack of them as per
> > Scott Pittman's recent podcast. God bless you...Steve Hart
> >
> >
> > On 6 July 2014 22:57, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've posted some thoughts on why I think zone 00 as the state of the
> >> designer's mind is a bad term.
> >>
> >> It's at:
> >>
> >> http://www.patternliteracy.com/816-zone-00-right-intentions-wrong-term
> >>
> >> Zone 00: Right Intentions, Wrong Term
> >>
> >> "One of my pet projects is to clean up the ambiguities and logical
> >> inconsistencies that weaken permaculture terminology. Today I take aim
> at
> >> the term Zone 00, used to mean either the designer or user of a
> >> permaculture design, or their inner state. It’s a concept spawned by
> good
> >> intentions, but calling it a zone is logically inconsistent, redundant,
> and
> >> worst of all, has no design use. The designer’s mind is a crucial
> >> influence, but it’s not a zone. If it’s an influence on a design, that
> >> makes it a sector, right? (If you just slapped your forehead and said
> >> “Doh!” then you need read no further.) So let’s stop using the term zone
> >> 00."
> >>
> >> Enjoy!
> >>
> >> Toby
> >> http://patternliteracy.com
> >>
> >>
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