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- From: Chris Carnevale <c.s.carnevale@gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture
- Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:51:49 -0500
You can also think about it as a culture or agriculture that permanently follows the ethics of earth care, people care, and fair share. Similar to how within permaculture methodology there are many tools, techniques, and strategies that can be employed in implementation (and can change over time within a single system), permanent cultures may have different expressions of the ethics, varying from one culture to another or varying over time within the same culture.
Chris Carnevale
Charleston, South Carolina
On 3/3/14, 12:06 AM, Darrell E. Frey wrote:
Well, indeed change is the only constant. I have never thought the
permanent part of permanent culture meant a homgeneous and unchanging
culture. Rather it is more in the spirit of the our relationship to our
planet, to live in each bioregion, and relate to the entire planet from
our bioregions, in a manner that nurtures and regenerates the whole.
Permanent as opposed an exploitive downward spiral, regenerative as
opposed to degrading . A worthy goal to work towards it would seem.
I would hope the seeds you planted in Mexico have taken root and will
flourish. Best wishes
Darrell E. Frey
Three Sisters Farm
defrey@bioshelter.com
www.bioshelter.com
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 21:47:37 -0600, Holger Hieronimi
<holger@tierramor.org> wrote:
Hello all-
saludos desde México_______________________________________________
I wonder how PC Activists respond to one of the most interesting
paradoxes in Permaculture, expressed in the very name. I ask you:
How can we promote Permaculture, presented as a contraction of
"permanent culture" (originally permanent agriculture),
knowing that in the universe there is one basic fact (maybe even
law): NOTHING IS PERMANENT
???
More importantly: Nothing is more impermanent than culture. We all
know that culture is subject of constant change & adaption to
changing circumstances
I think, this is an interesting contradiction, best expressed in
David Holmgens 12th design principle: "Creatively use and respond to
change"
Its not only that I`m involved somewhat in Zen practice... its a
constant experience all PC designers & practitioners have, working
with nature-
Now, with the reality of climate change, and all the other political,
economic and cultural changes happening right now in the world we`re
living in-
change is more up to date than never
However, its also a recent experience I have made in our PermaCulture
project:
For 12 years now, we have been developing a site in Michoacán/
México with PC Principles (see documentation of our work, with fotos
and comentary - in spanish- :
http://www.tierramor.org/GranjaTierramor/granjatierramor.htm#linx).
Now it seems that we have to leave the site for political, economic &
security reasons: In thos very moment, our state is in the focus of
the drug war, mainly fuelled by US dollars & arms...difficult to do
courses or whatever in this environment-
Allthough our site, better known as "Granja Tierramor" (together with
the whole project), has been, for years now , an important
demonstration and learning site for permaculture principles &
practices, it seems that we`ll have to leave the place soon.
Things have been changing rapidly here...too fast, it seems, for us
to respond creatively-
Nothing is permanent!
Not even permaculture....
Maybe we should call it "ChangeCulture"?
-- Holger Hieronimi -holger@tierramor.org
TIERRAMOR - Diseño Integrado
www.tierramor.org
Diseño de sistemas ecológicos
Consultas y asesorías
Facilitación de conferencias, seminarios, cursos y talleres
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[permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture,
Holger Hieronimi, 03/02/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture, Lawrence London, 03/02/2014
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture,
Darrell E. Frey, 03/03/2014
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture,
Chris Carnevale, 03/03/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture, Koreen Brennan, 03/04/2014
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture,
Chris Carnevale, 03/03/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture, Pete Gasper, Gasper Family Farm, 03/05/2014
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture,
Jason Gerhardt, 03/03/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture, georg parlow, 03/04/2014
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture,
Mark Feineigle, 03/04/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture, georg parlow, 03/05/2014
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Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture,
Lawrence London, 03/05/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture, Lawrence London, 03/06/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & Permaculture, Jason Gerhardt, 03/04/2014
- Re: [permaculture] Impermanence & permaculture, Juan Manuel Burgos, 03/07/2014
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