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  • From: Jono Neiger <neiger@csld.edu>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
  • Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:04:36 -0500

"In the meantime, a study has been completed that shows that Sepp
Holzer's techniques will feed 21 billion people without irrigation or
fertilizer."

It would be great to see this study. I wouldn't put this idea out to anyone
without being able to show it. I highly doubt it's premise.

The idea of 21 billion people on this planet is overwhelming to me. Its not
just about *feeding* this humanity (which I think couldn't be done without
immense consequences), but also providing for water, housing, energy, and
transportation needs. We are physically overwhelming the planet at 7
billion. I think it is irresponsible to put out and entertain a vision of
21 billion people. The ethic of "care for the earth" could not be upheld in
this kind of future. We need to envision a creative and ethical descent
from our current population and energy use level.

Jono

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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:24 AM, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:

> I have no idea who has it.
>
> Dr. Immo Fiebrig was the guy that was saying he could get it to me.
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Who has it? Seems like a really important thing. But on the other hand,
> a lot of people seeing it, will go "oh, this means that 'They' have that
> all under control, we don't have any environmental or soil or water issues
> so we can just go on living like we're living and not take any
> responsibility....."
> >
> > I would use it to demonstrate that growing food more sustainably is
> important. Would really like to get a copy!
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > www.growpermaculture.com
> > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
> >
> > I asked that same thing once and was told they would get it to me.
> > They must have forgotten.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> Where is a copy of this study re Sepp Holzer's methods, Paul? Is it
> available to be viewed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> >> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How to Feed 9 Billion People
> >>
> >>> How about if we don't feed 9 billion people, don't make the inevitable
> even worse by putting it off yet another 30 years, and instead pay the
> human cost of not inflicting more ecocide on the planet. The most recent
> 2.5 billion came from turning oil into food; we're way, way past carrying
> capacity in a way that adopting a "drill, baby, drill" attitude toward food
> won't change. More food makes more people. More people increase human
> impact. That's just physics. Does anyone else see this?
> >>
> >> I think a lot of James Bond movies start with this. The villain is
> >> trying to save humanity by killing a large portion of people. And
> >> James Bond stops them so overpopulation can continue.
> >>
> >> In the 20's Americans pushed for eugenics and Hitler tried to impress
> >> those same Americans with really doing it - according to his
> >> interpretation.
> >>
> >> I've heard an argument favoring pesticides and childhood cancer:
> >> thinning out the weak to control population.
> >>
> >> I've heard some similar stuff about AIDS.
> >>
> >> And then you throw in that stuff from the movie Idiocracy.
> >>
> >> All this adds up to a terrible stomach ache.
> >>
> >> It's easy to say "population control" - the horrifically difficult
> >> part is an actual solution.
> >>
> >> The Poisonwood Bible offers painful clarity in this space. One path
> >> is horrifying. And the other path is a different flavor of
> >> horrifying.
> >>
> >> Critically important. And horrifying.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, a study has been completed that shows that Sepp
> >> Holzer's techniques will feed 21 billion people without irrigation or
> >> fertilizer.
> >>
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