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[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

I'd like to move this debate into another plane in suggesting that of the
potential 9 billion 8.8 billion don't deserve to exist on this planet. This
mass have no concept of any argument that they being members of species man
and their manner of living is perpetuating the deficant that will suffocate
their very existence. This majority exists at every level of society.
Although most of the argument of saving the planet has shifted finally to
saving the species  this large majority has no knowledge or understanding
of the peril of their existence. This also applies to all levels of
society. So the reality in my mind is prepare for extinction by running
workshops on how to bend over and kiss your arse good bye. I prefer to be a
realist and an optimist as I always have been rather than a pessimist as I
may now appear. But if we look hard at all the facts in front of us the
outlook is all too obvious. The society this species has evolved is one
totally dictated by the economic policy we exist in. It has been designed.
And now needs to be redesigned if we desire to evolve towards any degree of
sustainability and survival as a species....more sooon. Steve Hart

On 29 November 2012 16:08, Stephen Sherman <spsherm@msn.com> wrote:

> On 11/22/2012 4:41 PM, paul wheaton wrote:
> > <snip> In the meantime, a study has been completed that shows that
> > Sepp Holzer's techniques will feed 21 billion people without
> > irrigation or fertilizer.
>
> Not to diminish Sepp's work, but I think it is overly simplistic to
> extrapolate from current conditions and calculate something like this.
>
> It isn't that I doubt the math, or that his methods are a great deal
> better than current practices. Rather I am concerned that with a
> tripling of the human population, there will be other effects on the
> environment which invalidate these calculations. How much cropland would
> be converted to urban or suburban use? How many other resources or
> conditions will be altered by the human population increase in ways
> which hurt the ability to produce food, regardless of the methods.
>
> Keep in mind, nature is a negative feedback system. When something moves
> to excess (such as human population) "things" arise to reverse that
> excess. Just because we can't foresee all these "things" does not mean
> they aren't or won't be happening...
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