permaculture

[Keith D Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>]

Well spoken. Let's upgrade the quality of conversation here and explore, even 
practice, civility. Nick, try writing Toby directly before spewing your 
biased presumptions before the whole list. Your own validity and authority 
just took a crashing nosedive IMHO. Tearing people down to validate your 
"superior" attitude is adolescent and makes you seem a very petty tyrant. 
Your self-admitted "profound ignorance" leads foremost in your recent 
communication. Suspension should be considered.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Smith Mill Creek <smithmillcreek@gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 14, 2010 3:06 PM
>To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: [permaculture] civility, respect and reputation
>
>Nicholas- This is a sad attack. * Sad, because it's mean. * Sad, because 
>Toby's respect is earned-- for his courses nationally (of which I've 
>taken one) * Sad, because Toby is generous enough to hang out on this 
>list & share his experiences and his leadership (and has jokingly 
>referred to himself as a curmudgeon) * Sad, because it starts this cycle 
>of attack and defend that erodes email lists. * Sad, because being a 
>permaculture teacher in the US often means low pay and putting up with 
>snarky remarks * Sad, because the when you talk/write in this way, the 
>more you look like a fool * Sad, because it attempts to laud some 
>permaculture teachers, and attack others * Sad, because permaculture 
>draws so many anti-authoritarian types who have trouble with community 
>(and our esteemed senior founder in Australia may have something to do 
>with that) I may or may not agree with whether permaculture should be 
>taught to military or peace corps personnel, but this style is 
>unproductive-- and frustrating. I don't know what it takes to be 
>suspended from this list-- all too often it seems to be for the wrong 
>reasons.