permaculture

[gavinraders@gmail.com]

Great thread Cory! It's really wonderful to hear a bit about the work you all 
are doing at Pine Ridge, and I'd like to hear what others are doing as well 
to make permaculture more accessible and affordable for low-income people who 
lack access to healthy and affordable food. 
On our end, Planting Justice does urban permaculture design and installation 
for and with those who can afford it in the bay area, and this revenue stream 
subsidizes this very same work with low-income urban residents who can't 
afford the cost of materials, our labor, and course fees. We've built nearly 
70 such projects, and funded perennial/annual gardens, greywater systems, 
chickencoops, rainwater catchment systems, etc for low-income communities. 
These projects take place at low-income schools, affordable housing projects, 
community centers, senior centers, prisons, and people's homes and always 
include hands-on educational components and ongoing mentoring...mostly with 
people of color in Oakland. We have loads of pictures up on our website and 
on flikr.
What are others up to?

Gavin Raders
Co-Founder, Planting Justice
www.plantingjustice.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:22:09 
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Reply-To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Movement thinking (was Designing a Movement)

Diversity is key to sustainability. For that reason alone, we should not try 
to keep this movement too "exclusive" or control it too much. Which brings up 
another subject - how can we reach out to groups less served by permaculture 
in places like the US?  Many of us have projects in underserved/oppressed 
communities. We make a point to offer scholarships to interested people in 
high poverty communities in our urban courses. What are others doing along 
these lines? 

Best, Cory

--- On Mon, 8/16/10, Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ben Martin Horst <ben.martinhorst@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Movement thinking (was Designing a Movement)
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 11:11 PM
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Toby
> Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > But almost any movement comes with its own political
> framework and can
> > usually be placed in a fairly small region of the
> political spectrum. If we
> > look at permaculture as a movement, it's in the quite
> left-wing,
> > Earth-worshipping, hippie-descended, middle and upper
> middle class, etc,
> > etc, region, with a modest number of outliers
> included. A narrow slice. Who
> > else would even be arguing about working with the
> army?
> >
> >
> This has certainly been my experience with permaculture ...
> but then again,
> I'm living in the US Pacific Northwest. Does this
> generalization hold true
> globally -- for example, in India, Brazil, or Uganda? My
> suspicion -- and it
> is only that, a suspicion -- is that permaculture in the
> global picture is
> more widely distributed among the poor and lower middle
> classes and fairly
> middle of the road in the classic conservative-to-liberal
> spectrum (which is
> to say, somewhat to the left of the US mainstream). I'd
> love to hear these
> suspicions either confirmed or denied by those with direct
> experience.
> 
> The point of this line of thinking is this: all of us on
> this list are
> privileged enough to have access to computers and the
> internet, and are thus
> representative of a global minority. When we talk about the
> permaculture
> "community" or "movement," I think we're often talking
> about those of us who
> can participate in conversations like this one. But I'd
> wager that we're
> completely missing the experience of permaculturists from
> the majority of
> the world. Despite -- or because of -- the fact that we've
> got
> fancy-schmancy electronics, we may have much more to learn
> from those
> permaculturists in the Global South than they have to learn
> from us.
> 
> -Ben
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