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Re: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Conference
- From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Conference
- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:18:43 -0800
I get what Tripp is saying, and sympathize, but . . .
My experience has been that, with some notable exceptions, PDC grads on average grasp permaculture better than people who have not taken one (it sure helped me!). I've seen that most people without a PDC are more likely to believe that permaculture is a set of gardening techniques, or at best, land use techniques with some elegant strategic ideas guiding them. (I repeat, there are exceptions.) I've seen people make errors like applying deep mulches in a Mediterranean climate because "mulching is an essential permaculture technique," or placing keyhole beds on steep slopes where they are much harder to use than linear raised beds, because that's a permaculture technique. And then they gripe that "permaculture doesn't work here." Grrr! Even the super-gardener that Tripp describes, coming from an academic ag and gardening background, could easily miss that Pc is far more than a land-use program. They've got a set of ag tools broadened by their ecology courses, but it's still totally land-use oriented. They need a systems piece, and invisible structures, and energy and building and . . . . The PDC tells you you need to learn all that. It does not make you an expert in it, but it points you to the path better than anything I've seen, and shows you how highly branched that path is.
It's genius-level pedagogy. And the most innovative applications of Pc to the non-garden world seem to have come from PDC grads. I see few non-PDC people applying Pc to economics, education, or even energy systems. That seems to be the hardest part for anyone, even PDC grads, to get: Permaculture is a design approach applicable to everything, and the land use part is only the most obvious and rudimentary element. As a student once said to me, "So the garden is just a metaphor for understanding what Pc is really about. Permaculture isn't about growing food." That's right. When people limit it to the garden (as the guy who wrote "Gaia's Garden" may have done), it makes me grind my teeth.
I think Fukuoka would probably have said that the PDC is not formal education. It's as different from my "schooling" as anything I've ever done.
That said, taking a PDC doesn't make you a permaculturist; it just means you share a body of introductory knowledge with tens of thousands of others. And you have earned the right to use the word in a business, since Mollison wants it that way. But really you get to be a permaculturist after years of work. And although I share some chagrin about Ellen Page, her mentioning the word on daytime TV is a huge gift to us. No small accomplishment there. She's thinking permaculturally as a celebrity, not as a gardener, and it was a deliberate, strategic move. Her teacher, Jude Hobbs, tells me she's way, way smart.
There are no real barriers to taking a PDC, not if you want one. I've seen honorary certificates, and all the instructors I know offer scholarships and trades, and are willing to travel anywhere in the world to where people want a course. Want a certificate? I might answer, with a sorta snarky but friendly smile, then think permaculturally about the problem (it's not about land use). Organize a course in your area. Bring in different teachers on the weekends. Help out at a PDC. Show an instructor that your work is cool and ask if it qualifies. There's no caste system except in the mind.
Sometimes my posts remind that Voltaire (I think) wrote, "sorry this letter is so long but I didn't have time to write a shorter one." Apologies for verbosity. And thanks to Tripp for his stimulating, thoughtful posts.
Toby
http://patternliteracy.com
Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
>From a devil's advocate perspective, what's the difference between a newbie with a PDC, and someone who has relentlessly studied and implemented permaculture theory and on-the-ground practice for a couple of seasons? Sort of like a qualifications requirement of a Masters or 3 years of appropriate experience in the field. For argument's sake, let's say you have a degree in biology from a major land-grant university, 5 years of experience in watershed and estuarine ecology, botany, and soil science, 4 years of organic gardening experience, and a year of intense permaculture study and practice under your belt. (You know, for argument's sake;) Would that make you less of a permie than say, a movie star like Ellen Page who has a PDC from last summer?
As much as I respect the time, effort, and expense it takes to earn a PDC, I can't help but feel a potentially inappropriate caste system evolving from some of the discussion I've heard here. Fukuoka believed that formal education was only necessary because of a culture that made it so. In line with his idea of a fire, a pinch of salt, and real ingredients being all that was required for a healthy, world-class meal, I think that a humble spirit before Nature, an open and investigating mind, and time, is what makes one a true asset to the world that permaculture is trying to create.
If that means I can't call myself a "permaculturist," then so be it. But that's what I do, what I study, what I dream about, and what I am. I'm not trying to certify students or instructors, or call my garden a Permaculture University, but I bet I can heal a landscape as effectively as a lot of certificate holders out there. I have a feeling that the permaculture plot is on the verge of a mass immigration. Will the world hold its breath while the waves of newcomers all save up their not-insignificant tuition from the smoldering embers of a dying economy, and locate an agreeable course to satisfy accreditation? I can't go to the Orcas Island PDC next year because our baby is due just then. Should I fly to Hawaii or Georgia, spend a month away from my family who needs me, to study in a bioregion unrelated to my own? Would that be a more appropriate use of my time than watching the shadows move across my garden, teaching my daughter about the world, and studying the resident soil biota under the microscope?
If an advanced permaculture discussion/presentation group is a desirable thing, and I agree that it would be, could we come up with a less enculturated way to delineate the groups? Or would a better way to conduct such a convergence be to have the most experienced practitioners teaching us all? I certainly don't need Ellen Page to teach me about fertilizing with urine...hell, I don't need the NRCS to teach me about capillary fringe behavior..
Tear down the wall.
Tripp out.
The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
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