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[Nancy Frank <oppty@mac.com>]

I think that would be the general idea, but I haven't thought it  
through completely, nor explained it very well.  I would be flexible  
and open to ideas.

Nancy

On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Trudie Redding wrote:

> I think it could be illegal aliens, maybe they are not "eligible" to
> live there? I was trying to figure out what she may have meant
> As for the person wanting to rent out one room heh heh, it does not
> sound like communal living to me, but it's a start, an idea would  
> be to
> offer someone a stake in the venture, perhaps her own area to grow a
> specialty crop, or her own greenhouse venture to save seeds
> Trudie Redding
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Steve  
> Read
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:57 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America
>
> Hello,
>
> Amazing lots of possesssive pronouns being used on this particular
> thread, what were those old ideals about land tenure etc? Renting,  
> Hmmmm
> being Landlords (or ladies), I obviously need to do some more self
> -development because those are things I (re) act to. An ancestor of  
> mine
> was killed in a mining accident after he was, after living there for
> generations as a Freemen, thrown off the common land by a Govt  
> enclosure
> act which gave it to a landowner, so he and family moved on and he did
> what was left to him, mining, and it killed him. Up to then the Common
> land had been worked sustainably, tended and cared for collectively  
> and
> had provided a livelihood for many many people.  Private property
> Hmmmm..........
>
> SteveR
>
>
> ======= At 2008-10-29, 21:25:09 you wrote: =======
>
> > I think there are many of us that have land that we will need to  
> > share
> in
> > the future (near and distant) with people with skills and work ethic.
> I
> > have been working on my 54 acres for 6 years now and it is nowhere  
> > near
> a
> > finished product.  I have had several employees over the last few
> years.
> > None of them would be allowed to live here or be a renter.
> > Margaret
> > http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nancy Frank" <oppty@mac.com>
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America
> >
> >
> > > As long as we are in the conversation.  I didn't set out to purchase
> > > land for a permaculture farm, but I am a single woman who was raised
> > > in the city until I was about 30 (now 52), and have 55 acres (30
> > > woods -- 25 open) in northwestern Wisconsin, with some sheep,  
> > > llamas,
> > > chickens, etc., and am very interested in creating more  
> > > opportunities
> > > to utilize more of the land for sustainability.  I have a room for
> > > rent in my 100 year-old farmhouse to a non-smoking woman who is
> > > interested in producing food from this land, making some sustainable
> > > changes, and living in a wonderful rural community.  The  
> > > community is
> > > eco-friendly, and there are several small start-up sustainable farms
> > > around.  If anyone knows of someone interested in this opportunity,
> > > please have them contact me privately.  It could be a seasonal
> > > rental, or year-round.
> > >
> > > Nancy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:53 AM, KSantoyo wrote:
> > >
> > > > In response to Isabel's original post- not sure what the problem
> is?!
> > > > People buying up land and wanting to create a place where people  
> > > > can
> > > > come learn about growing and living together- ohmigosh- that's
> > > > horrible!
> > > >
> > > > So what if they don't have the skill sets yet...it sounds like they
> > > > know enough to seek help from people who know more than they
> > > > do...Isn't that what this whole process is about -education?
> Learning
> > > > so that one can become more capable and able to better  
> > > > contribute to
> > > > the health of the whole?
> > > >
> > > > What a resource these new landowners are offering to those who wish
> > > > they had a place to go get some hands-on experience, or simply
> > > > practice their passion and skills...
> > > >
> > > > As Trudie alludes to, imagine roving bands of skilled
> permaculturists-
> > > > permaculture gypsies!- moving from site to site, living for a while
> in
> > > > the community, and helping people get their systems properly set  
> > > > up-
> > > > seems like that would be a good thing...
> > > >
> > > > to the good green road,
> > > >
> > > > Kathryn Santoyo
> > > > earthflow.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Udan
> Farm
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:17 AM
> > > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: [permaculture] Trends in America
> > > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I admit, I do not keep up with this list nearly as much as I would
> > > > like
> > > > to, but I'd like to start a discussion about a trend I see, and
> > > > perhaps
> > > > how to alter it, or harness it, or ???
> > > >
> > > > I live in a southern state, so we are fairly far behind in
> > > > Permaculture,
> > > > as in, classes being taught, and interest in general.
> > > > I am a new Permaculture teacher, trying to get the word out, and my
> > > > partner and I will be student teaching our first design course this
> > > > winter.
> > > >
> > > > What I have noticed here in our southern state is a trend of fairly
> > > > wealthy couples, or single middle aged women, who "decide" to start
> a
> > > > farm, eco-village, or other farm related business, with little  
> > > > prior
> > > > knowledge. They go buy the land with little realization of what to
> > > > look
> > > > for, realize that it's a lot of work, and then want someone to come
> > > > "assess" their land. Most of them want to host a class (mainly
> because
> > > > they are too busy to leave the farm) and hope that it will include
> > > > lots
> > > > of people planting trees for them. In other words, they want
> > > > someone to
> > > > come "DO" permaculture to their farm, and hope it won't cost much.
> > > > Generally they also hold down jobs in another town or they live  
> > > > part
> > > > time in another place. They had enough money to create the
> > > > beginning of
> > > > the dream but no clue how to sustain it or build it.
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to come off sounding like a whiner here. But this is
> > > > happening over, and over and over here in my state. You can pretty
> > > > much
> > > > map them out, about 100 miles apart.
> > > > We are feeling very much pulled by every little wind as  
> > > > permaculture
> > > > teachers, so we are having to be very selective about what we do.
> > > >
> > > > What I was wondering-I don't mean to just crab about it- is are any
> > > > other Permaculture Teachers out there experiencing this, and what
> > > > do you
> > > > tell folks, and how could we get them all together? Mind you it's a
> 5
> > > > hour drive from one end of the state to another
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "
> > > > This is really, in my opinion, an indicator of our larger American
> > > > society in general. We have enough money to go off in our little
> > > > corner
> > > > and live, and we want others to "work for us", as we have come to
> > > > expect. (I don't think that, but I think American society in
> > > > general-or
> > > > at least upper and upper-middle class society does.)
> > > >
> > > > Granted the tide seems to have turned, and people may be more
> serious
> > > > and honest about wanting to live simply and sustainably...
> > > >
> > > > but I just wondered what my fellow Perm. folks out there are
> > > > experiencing, and how they are turning THE PROBLEM INTO THE
> SOLUTION.
> > > > Peace,
> > > > Isabel
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> Steve Read
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> 2008-10-29
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