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  • From: Nancy Frank <oppty@mac.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America
  • Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:53:05 -0500

I think that would be the general idea, but I haven't thought it through completely, nor explained it very well. I would be flexible and open to ideas.

Nancy

On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Trudie Redding wrote:

I think it could be illegal aliens, maybe they are not "eligible" to
live there? I was trying to figure out what she may have meant
As for the person wanting to rent out one room heh heh, it does not
sound like communal living to me, but it's a start, an idea would be to
offer someone a stake in the venture, perhaps her own area to grow a
specialty crop, or her own greenhouse venture to save seeds
Trudie Redding
Electrical and Computer Engg
ENS 103 C0803
512-471-8044
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-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Read
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:57 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America

Hello,

Amazing lots of possesssive pronouns being used on this particular
thread, what were those old ideals about land tenure etc? Renting, Hmmmm
being Landlords (or ladies), I obviously need to do some more self
-development because those are things I (re) act to. An ancestor of mine
was killed in a mining accident after he was, after living there for
generations as a Freemen, thrown off the common land by a Govt enclosure
act which gave it to a landowner, so he and family moved on and he did
what was left to him, mining, and it killed him. Up to then the Common
land had been worked sustainably, tended and cared for collectively and
had provided a livelihood for many many people. Private property
Hmmmm..........

SteveR


======= At 2008-10-29, 21:25:09 you wrote: =======

I think there are many of us that have land that we will need to share
in
the future (near and distant) with people with skills and work ethic.
I
have been working on my 54 acres for 6 years now and it is nowhere near
a
finished product. I have had several employees over the last few
years.
None of them would be allowed to live here or be a renter.
Margaret
http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Frank" <oppty@mac.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Trends in America


As long as we are in the conversation. I didn't set out to purchase
land for a permaculture farm, but I am a single woman who was raised
in the city until I was about 30 (now 52), and have 55 acres (30
woods -- 25 open) in northwestern Wisconsin, with some sheep, llamas,
chickens, etc., and am very interested in creating more opportunities
to utilize more of the land for sustainability. I have a room for
rent in my 100 year-old farmhouse to a non-smoking woman who is
interested in producing food from this land, making some sustainable
changes, and living in a wonderful rural community. The community is
eco-friendly, and there are several small start-up sustainable farms
around. If anyone knows of someone interested in this opportunity,
please have them contact me privately. It could be a seasonal
rental, or year-round.

Nancy



On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:53 AM, KSantoyo wrote:

In response to Isabel's original post- not sure what the problem
is?!
People buying up land and wanting to create a place where people can
come learn about growing and living together- ohmigosh- that's
horrible!

So what if they don't have the skill sets yet...it sounds like they
know enough to seek help from people who know more than they
do...Isn't that what this whole process is about -education?
Learning
so that one can become more capable and able to better contribute to
the health of the whole?

What a resource these new landowners are offering to those who wish
they had a place to go get some hands-on experience, or simply
practice their passion and skills...

As Trudie alludes to, imagine roving bands of skilled
permaculturists-
permaculture gypsies!- moving from site to site, living for a while
in
the community, and helping people get their systems properly set up-
seems like that would be a good thing...

to the good green road,

Kathryn Santoyo
earthflow.com


-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Udan
Farm
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:17 AM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [permaculture] Trends in America

Hi Everyone,

I admit, I do not keep up with this list nearly as much as I would
like
to, but I'd like to start a discussion about a trend I see, and
perhaps
how to alter it, or harness it, or ???

I live in a southern state, so we are fairly far behind in
Permaculture,
as in, classes being taught, and interest in general.
I am a new Permaculture teacher, trying to get the word out, and my
partner and I will be student teaching our first design course this
winter.

What I have noticed here in our southern state is a trend of fairly
wealthy couples, or single middle aged women, who "decide" to start
a
farm, eco-village, or other farm related business, with little prior
knowledge. They go buy the land with little realization of what to
look
for, realize that it's a lot of work, and then want someone to come
"assess" their land. Most of them want to host a class (mainly
because
they are too busy to leave the farm) and hope that it will include
lots
of people planting trees for them. In other words, they want
someone to
come "DO" permaculture to their farm, and hope it won't cost much.
Generally they also hold down jobs in another town or they live part
time in another place. They had enough money to create the
beginning of
the dream but no clue how to sustain it or build it.

I don't want to come off sounding like a whiner here. But this is
happening over, and over and over here in my state. You can pretty
much
map them out, about 100 miles apart.
We are feeling very much pulled by every little wind as permaculture
teachers, so we are having to be very selective about what we do.

What I was wondering-I don't mean to just crab about it- is are any
other Permaculture Teachers out there experiencing this, and what
do you
tell folks, and how could we get them all together? Mind you it's a
5
hour drive from one end of the state to another


"
This is really, in my opinion, an indicator of our larger American
society in general. We have enough money to go off in our little
corner
and live, and we want others to "work for us", as we have come to
expect. (I don't think that, but I think American society in
general-or
at least upper and upper-middle class society does.)

Granted the tide seems to have turned, and people may be more
serious
and honest about wanting to live simply and sustainably...

but I just wondered what my fellow Perm. folks out there are
experiencing, and how they are turning THE PROBLEM INTO THE
SOLUTION.

Peace,
Isabel
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Steve Read
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2008-10-29


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