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["E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>]

I would NOT say it's a GOOD thing, but I WOULD say that it's EXACTLY what we 
should expect from big business and big government, especially from this 
administration, which does EVERYTHING that way.

Just wondering - are mass media reports about Mad Cow disease, Avian Flu, or 
global warming any different from reports about weapons of mass destruction 
in Iraq?  How can the average person discern what threats to society at large 
are real enough to warrant imposition of controls on individuals, businesses, 
or segments of society?  Since our government and corporations ultimately 
answer to the public (either at the polling place or at the cash register), 
it seems to me that communication is the big problem.  Nobody I know has the 
time and energy to ferret out the "truth" about every issue or threat that's 
reported.

What I believe seems very clear, but I can certainly understand why others 
feel differently, given the "information" they receive and the way they 
receive it.  For example, I tend to be skeptical if the writer seems to be 
directly and adversely affected, and particularly if they seem paranoid or 
hysterical.  That is NOT the case with Forest Garden, who appears to be well 
informed and calm in the face of adversity.

Disclaimer - Ah'm a Texan too.

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Forest Garden 
  To: permaculture 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [permaculture] National Animal ID program


  Hello Everyone,

  I am from Texas.  I farm and have livestock.  This aniaml ID issue is real -
  I've been to the official public comment meetings.  Registering the premises
  where animals are kept is scheduled to be mandatory by July of this year.
  Tagging will be implemnnted as soon as as possible thereafter.

  The program amounts to the small farmer being burdened with oneous paperwork
  and fees.  Farming is hard enough work to have to deal with this kind of
  extra load.

  This amounts to the government deciding to license and make it now a
  'priveledge' to own livestock - which used to be an inherent right.  The
  cost of some of the fee's are more than the chicken itself.

  As someone in the real world, on the ground, dealing with this issue as a
  part of my livelihood - from here it looks like an insidous plot by large
  organizations to control what little remains of the food supply that is not
  coming from a corporate factory farm.  It's really freaky the extent they
  are going to.

  Buckle up.



  .








  .


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
  To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 1:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [permaculture] National Animal ID program


  > Loren Davidson wrote:
  >
  > > At 1:05 AM -0500 2/28/06, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
  > >
  > >>John Schinnerer wrote:
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>> Heather, can you tell us the name of the 'microchip guy' you spoke
  with?
  > >>> Perhaps that will help people sort this out without needing to resort
  to
  > >>> personal attacks on list members.
  > >>
  > >>Spreading hysterical unresearched BS to a large list isn't a great idea.
  > >
  > >
  > > I'm with John on this one. There appear to be two very different
  > > points of view out there, and right at the moment, I don't know which
  > > one contains truth and which one contains "hysterical BS." I am
  > > willing to believe that both sides are acting in good faith, based on
  > > the data available to them.
  >
  > Archer is right; a national livestock ID program is a must. As time
  progresses I am sure
  > methods will evolve that will enable small farmers to be able to get with
  the program and mark all their animals.
  > It can't be that difficult. Huge corporate poultry operations will have a
  task at hand of another order of magnitude.
  >
  > Do you farm or otherwise work the land in any way for a living? Probably
  not. Those that do will have to
  > defend their livelihoods, now and in the future, from those who would
  disrupt them through limiting access to their fair
  > market share. This appears to already be happening around the world to
  farmers in 3rd world countries. These are issues
  > you and js will probably never have to deal with. It would be wise for all
  livestock owners, homeowner to corporate to
  > work cooperatively with the government to make a sensible ID program work,
  one with a level playing field with
  > implementation processes that work for all.
  >
  > > Innuendos, hell. There are mailing lists I moderate on which
  > > namecalling like "hysterical BS" is clearly defined as a personal
  > > attack/insult, and would get the poster warned and/or booted for
  > > repeat offenses.
  >
  > Sounds like Fascism to me.
  >
  > > I don't think John is "implying" anything - he comes
  > > right out and calls it like he sees it - and I agree with him that
  > > your words are really uncalled for.
  >
  > Calling it like I see it is exactly what I did.
  >
  > > Whatever happened to "thoughtful and protracted observation?" Care of
  > > the Earth? Care of the people? How does namecalling promote *any* of
  > > that?
  >
  > What namecalling? You're fantasizing.
  >
  > > If we're going to start ripping each other apart over "matters of
  > > faith," we're going to do Monsanto's work for them. If you can't
  >
  > Let's see you and js do more to help defend small scale agriculture,
  homestead farmers and local market farmers against
  > the ravages of government sponsored fascistic rulemaking, subsidies and
  tax breaks bought and paid for by the likes of
  > Monsanto, which with the rest of The Cabal would probably like to take
  over our food supply and probably more. If you
  > want to rail at someone rail at them.
  >
  > LL
  >
  >
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