permaculture

["jamie nicol" <jamie@tiscali.fr>]

I doubt there are many on this group who would argue against working with
nature and, from what I understood from Kirby's post, the 'no exceptions'
was to underline that even exotics have their place, especially in disturbed
and degraded environments that they help stabilise for succeeding species.
        However, Steve has brought up a subject that troubles me, especially 
in
light of the posts from Frank regarding what is actually possible on larger
farms. While many of us, myself included, wander our 'acre' feeling a
diffuse, warm glow at the successful integration of PC, nature-centred
ideas, the large farms that produce nearly all the food consumed in the West
and have so damaged their environments, remain largely untouched (and
possibly untouchable) by PC in its current guise.
        How do we reach out and begin to make a change on these farms when 
farmers
are so squeezed for time and money as it is. Is PC a precious, suburban,
faintly elitist movement that has much to say but little practical to give
these larger farms?

Jamie
Souscayrous

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-admin@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-admin@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Steve Diver
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 11:05 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Exotic Plant Erradication

"Working with nature rather than against it... must be
our credo ...  no exceptions."

Give me about a dozen examples of what a farmer would
encounter.   Let's talk about land management in terms of
0.5, 2.5, 5, 10, 20, 40, 60, 120, 360, 720, and 1500 acre
size farms, OK?

Steve Diver


> So I think we, the permaculture community, play an important roll in
helping
> people to realize the potential of these exotic / invasive plants.   And
> once again the old adage of working with nature rather than against it
must
> be our credo - no exceptions!
>
> Kirby Fry

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