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[Douglas Hinds <cedecor@gmx.net>]

Lawrence F. London Jr. followed up on my request and on Sunday 
11/18/2012 he wrote from
Chapel Hill to say:
> I emailed Steve Diver about the article you sent him and he sent me this reply
> today:
Thanks for contacting him.
> "I remember an email exchange with Douglas about his ideas on "seedling"
> vs "grafted" fruit trees and found it quite interesting.  That must have
> been about 12-15 years ago as he noted.  But I don't recall receiving
> any articles or materials other than his email explanation.    So no I
> cannot retrieve anything.

It was nice of Steve to reply.  However, he did ask me for a digital 
copy and I recall emailing him one, which we discussed.  But given the 
length of time involved, the volume of email and the number of hard 
drives used since then, I'm not surprised he doesn't remember or have it 
on hand.  (After all, I don't have on hand, either).

> Amazon carries a used version of CRFG Yearbook 1973 with Douglas M.
> Hinds as one of the editors for $19; including "The Need to Develop
> Seedling Strains in Fruit Trees".
So it's available, and that's good.  But getting it here is a little 
more costly and complicated due the need to cross an international 
border. And all I really need is the text of the article rather than the 
whole yearbook, in order to transcribe it back to digital form, again.

Pine_Tree_Bookstore in Santa Cruz CA is listed as the owner but I find 
nothing listed for them in Santa Cruz.  It must exist only on the 
Internet.  (If I had a phone number I'd give them a call and ask them to 
scan and email it.  The Yearbooks aren't large - two pages could be 
scanned at a time, so 5 scans would do it).
> Likewise, "The Need to Develop Seedling Strains in Fruit Trees" (1973,
> pp. 91-110) is listed in CRFG's bibliography.
> http://www.crfg.org/fg/xref/xref-p.html
It's listed under both Plant Genetics and Propagation.  But that only 
shows the article was printed.  There's no link i can see to the article 
itself.

I assume it was you that found the two links above, and that the 
suggestion below is probably yours too.
> Given a PhD position with research funds and experiment station lands,
> or just independent wealth for a personal experimental farm, I can see a
> longtime field trial with multi-species fruit trees plantings that would
> examine the seedling vs grafted tree theory, along with mixed species
> plantings to create diversity and natural pest control, mulch-based
> systems, etc."
The actual name of the article was "Indications of Metabolic Imbalance 
in Budded/Grafted Fruit Trees".  The problem referred to extends to the 
fruit, as well as the organism that consumes it.   So the question is 
one of protocols, knowing what to test for (i.e. Photosynthetic 
Efficiency)!  Fruit production has three separate but related 
functions:  Plant Health, Nutritional Content and Economic Viability, 
which in turn depends on Productivity, Production Costs and the existing 
or potential Consumer Demand for the Product.

But Demand is driven by Taste and Satisfaction (even more than price), 
and both may depend at least in part on Nutritional Content, as well as 
Consumer Recognition.
However: unlike the term "Organic", Seedling awakens nothing in 
anybody's mind except mine. Of course, if a significant difference DOES 
in fact exist (and whether it's subjective or not doesn't matter, as 
long as it's felt), Consumer Recognition and Preference will follow 
Taste and Satisfaction, to either a given brand name or a classification.
Of course, not all seedlings are born equal (but then, neither are 
brothers), so the task of developing high quality, productive and 
disease resistant seedling strains will still have to be performed.

Thanks again, Lawrence.

BTW, I was able to locate Bob O. Berg, the UCR Botanist (with whom 2 
series of discrimination trials were carried out in 1968 and 69), and 
talk to him yesterday.
We still agree that "Integrity of the Individual Organism" is the 
principle that explains why the difference exists and is important.

Douglas Hinds

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