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["Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hello All,

At this point the only conclusion is we need more research and credible
information from reliable sources.  All the debate in the world does nothing
without those.

We will all have to wait and see what facts pan out over the months to come.

Later,
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Nave
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:08 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Are GM Crops Killing Honeybees?

There are a very limited number of explanations for
someone who prints disinformation:

stupidity
ignorance
dishonesty

I don't know which is the case here. 

 



--- Mark & Helen Angermayer <hangermayer@isp.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> You've obviously knowledgeable on this topic, and
> passionate.  But I find
> when I slip into judging others motives, I'm
> generally wrong.
> 
> Mark
> Kansas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Nave" <>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers"
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Are GM Crops Killing Honeybees?
> 
> 
> > When someone says that GM has been tested to the
> hilt,
> > and that statement has no backing in fact, I'm
> pretty
> > sure that person has no interest in education. As
> for
> > others on the list, just research it for yourself.
> > Almost every week GM products are implicated in
> > another problem.
> >
> >
> > --- "regina"  wrote:
> >
> > > Whooooah.  Careful, Michael my friend, if I were
> at
> > > the other end of
> > > that e-mail I'd think you might be straying
> > > dangerously close to
> > > fighting words. This could degenerate into a
> flame
> > > war inappropriate
> > > for the NAFEX forum, and the opportunity to
> educate
> > > on the issue would
> > > be lost.
> > >
> > > This from someone who agrees with you 100% on
> the
> > > issue of inadequate
> > > testing and all-round evilness of GM products.
> > >
> > > ----Original Message----
> > > From: michaelnave
> > > Date: Mar 29, 2007 9:03
> > > To: "North American Fruit
> > > Explorers"<nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Subj: Re: [NAFEX] Are GM Crops Killing
> Honeybees?
> > >
> > > Because each GM product is NOT scrutinized to
> the
> > > hilt.
> > >
> > > GM testing always operates under unproven
> > > assumptions
> > > about what might or might not be problematic
> because
> > > there is no way to test all potential impacts of
> GM
> > > foods. So the questions is, are the testers
> missing
> > > things? The answer is yes:
> > >
> > > Where is the safety testing of GM soya?
> > > http://www.connectotel.com/gmfood/soyarefs.html
> > >
> > > GM SAFETY TESTS FLAWED
> > > http://www.foe.co.
> > >
> >
>
uk/resource/press_releases/gm_safety_tests_flawed_new_24112004.html
> > >
> > > Inadequate safety assessment of GE foods
> > > http://www.psrast.org/subeqow.htm
> > >
> > > Genetic Biologist explains GM dangers
> > > http://beehive.thisisdorset.co.uk/default.asp?
> > > WCI=SiteHome&ID=5122&PageID=43996
> > >
> > > Could GM Foods Cause Allergies?
> > >
> >
>
http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/briefings/gm_alergies.pdf
> > >
> > > There are HUNDREDS of articles on the interent
> > > concerning the failures to test GM foods
> adequately.
> > > That you seem to be unaware of any of them is a
> > > testament to either your ignorance or your
> > > dishonesty.
> > > That you choose to post on topics of which you
> > > appear
> > > to be completely ignorant is bad enough. If you
> post
> > > again claiming that GM foods are adequately
> tested,
> > > I
> > > will know beyond any doubt that something more
> than
> > > ignorance is at issue.
> > >
> > > Not only has the testing been shoddy, but those
> who
> > > criticize GM foods or the testing procedures are
> > > likely to face retribution:
> > >
> > > Critic of GM organisms barred from Canada
> > >
> >
>
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/gm-food/mg18625013.600-critic-
> > > of-gm-organisms-barred-from-canada.html
> > >
> > > You want to be fair? Here's what's fair. Quit
> > > growing
> > > all GM prodcuts until they have all been
> adequately
> > > tested. It is not the public's burden to prove a
> GM
> > > organism can harm a person, an animal or a bee,
> it
> > > is
> > > the GM grower's burden to show that there is no
> way
> > > that GM organism can harm anyone. That has not
> been
> > > done.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Anton Callaway <> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If we do not know what is happening, then why
> zero
> > > > in on GM, when each "GM" product is 
> scrutinized
> > > to
> > > > the hilt?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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