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- From: "maury sheets" <maurysheets AT verizon.net>
- To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training
- Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:56:45 -0500
Rivka, Cattle don’t get E. Coli 0157-h7 (the bad kind), but they
do carry it along with many other species such as pigs and deer. They
cannot get the disease because certain receptors needed for it are missing at
the cellular level. We do have those receptors however and can get sick
from it. We are fighting the wrong battle in this area. We
should be fighting antibacterial soap usage and other such items used as a
matter of course in the household. You can be TOO clean. If you are,
your immune system will suffer for it. Maury Sheets Woodland Produce South jersey where it is finally raining for a change. From:
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[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Road's
End Farm On Mar 2, 2010, at 6:29 PM, KAKerby AT aol.com
wrote:
But recent findings amongst wild elk in the Rockies indicates that
grain-fed versus not-grain-fed doesn't matter. Well, all that would indicate is that it doesn't matter with
elk; or, at least, that non-grain-fed elk can carry it. Wouldn't it have been easier to do the studies on grass-fed
cattle than on elk? Or are there such studies, and they do show that grass-fed
cattle are at least less likely to carry pathogenic strains than grain-fed
cattle, but the elk study better suited the presenter? I don't think there's any disagreement that a wide range of
creatures can get pathogenic E Coli -- in fact, if only feedlot cattle got it,
there wouldn't be any danger for humans. The question is, what practice
significantly encourages the production of the pathogens? Is it growing produce
in fields open to wildlife? Or is it raising cattle in feedlots? If the latter
practice contributes more to the problem than the former, it seems to me
entirely unreasonable to try to make everyone grow produce in sterile conditions,
while not shutting down the feedlots. (I'm not holding my breath on this one.
Uncracked eggs used to be perfectly safe to eat raw. When chronic salmonella
oviduct infections started making this untrue, the problem originated in large
confined chicken operations. Instead of closing those down to protect
not-yet-infected operations as well as the general public, which would have
made eggs slightly more expensive and massively annoyed a small number of very
large producers, we all got told to hardboil our eggs.) -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly Fresh-market organic produce, small scale |
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training
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- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Garth & Kim Travis, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Road's End Farm, 03/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
KAKerby, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Garth & Kim Travis, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, David Inglis, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Ryan Platte, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Road's End Farm, 03/03/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
KAKerby, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Garth & Kim Travis, 03/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
Road's End Farm, 03/03/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, maury sheets, 03/03/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
Roots Farm & Karen Sutherland, 03/04/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, William H Shoemaker, 03/04/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
KAKerby, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Ryan Platte, 03/02/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, KAKerby, 03/02/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
KAKerby, 03/03/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Road's End Farm, 03/03/2010
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Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training,
SaladG, 03/03/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, Road's End Farm, 03/03/2010
- Re: [Market-farming] manures/GAP training, sunnfarm, 03/03/2010
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