Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>]

To clarify, it was the other statistics I had to question and as you know 
land prices vary considerably everywhere, and I didn't mean to question 
anyone's good intentions. I certainly question academia's version of 
sustainability in general and oxymorons like "smart growth". I'm skeptical as 
you about most people taking sensible steps to adapt to an uncertain future. 
There will be some dieoff; it's already begun in parts of the world. So I'm 
mainly addressing those who still have a pulse, and always trying to learn 
more myself.

But mainly I'm stressing growing where we don't have to pay any price to buy 
land per se. In my own example the acre (we grow on 1/4) and well comes with 
the house and we lease long term very cheap. And thousands of others in this 
sparsely populated area could certainly do the same as we do when they see 
the need - IF they learn to grow intensive which is space efficient and low 
cost. Thing is, we don't need to be pricing agricultural land in the first 
place if we can use the soil we have and amend as needed, esp with free local 
organic wastes (more horses than people here). We do this, and the nearest 
other garden we know of is miles away. This is one of those areas people 
don't think of as good for gardening and there are millions of such areas 
(hopefully with more rain than we get). I don't say everybody can do it but 
millions can right where they are. And everybody doesn't need to; we need  
butchers and bakers and blacksmiths and carpenters and electricians. And 
musicians. It's thinking outside the box and relearning how lots of 
communities the world over fed themselves before fossil fuels, and taking 
advantage of what we've learned since then and the materials and tools still 
available. I'd like to see tools that don't bend and break and don't cost an 
arm and leg.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 1/14/2011 at 6:14 AM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:

>Apparently your mind is already made up so no amount of debate is going
>to change that.
>All the "statistics" were estimates based on local land prices and my
>experiences growing food for sale.
>Paul the Skeptic
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>On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:
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>> Not working? News to me. Look, you dismissed well-proven benefits of
>small scale intensive growing on grounds people can't make a living at it,
>and touted your "qualifications" to cite statistics you apparently made
>up. You must know you'll get challenged on that, but I didn't censor your
>post, did I. Now if you really want to debate how aquaponics stacks up
>financially against small scale intensive, I'm game. Or not?
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>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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>> On 1/13/2011 at 8:52 PM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:
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>>> So, if it is so simple then why is it not working?
>>> I was trying to point out problems and why the system quit working and
>>> possible solutions, not being sarcastic as yourself not to mention I was
>>> not derisive of your qualifications as you were mine.
>>> I guess flaming is ok since you seem to run the site.
>>> I thought that the idea here was to help not ridicule however I noticed
>>> that this is not the case.
>>> Paul the Skeptic
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone