Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Andeanfx" <andeanfx@midrivers.com>]

By way of the process of elimination; I would not want to grow my food on 
any agricultural land (at least in this country) nor would I want to put a 
house on any land that good enough to grow my food so that leaves it at 
getting decent ground and amending it (with my choice of amendments) to grow 
my food and yet it is not a problem to have a house on it as well.  Same 
thought just a different angle.


I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually 
happened. -- Mark Twain


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
To: <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] World Hunger Best Cured by Small-Scale 
Agriculture


> To clarify, it was the other statistics I had to question and as you know 
> land prices vary considerably everywhere, and I didn't mean to question 
> anyone's good intentions. I certainly question academia's version of 
> sustainability in general and oxymorons like "smart growth". I'm skeptical 
> as you about most people taking sensible steps to adapt to an uncertain 
> future. There will be some dieoff; it's already begun in parts of the 
> world. So I'm mainly addressing those who still have a pulse, and always 
> trying to learn more myself.
>
> But mainly I'm stressing growing where we don't have to pay any price to 
> buy land per se. In my own example the acre (we grow on 1/4) and well 
> comes with the house and we lease long term very cheap. And thousands of 
> others in this sparsely populated area could certainly do the same as we 
> do when they see the need - IF they learn to grow intensive which is space 
> efficient and low cost. Thing is, we don't need to be pricing agricultural 
> land in the first place if we can use the soil we have and amend as 
> needed, esp with free local organic wastes (more horses than people here). 
> We do this, and the nearest other garden we know of is miles away. This is 
> one of those areas people don't think of as good for gardening and there 
> are millions of such areas (hopefully with more rain than we get). I don't 
> say everybody can do it but millions can right where they are. And 
> everybody doesn't need to; we need  butchers and bakers and blacksmiths 
> and carpenters and electricians. And musicians
> . It's thinking outside the box and relearning how lots of communities the 
> world over fed themselves before fossil fuels, and taking advantage of 
> what we've learned since then and the materials and tools still available. 
> I'd like to see tools that don't bend and break and don't cost an arm and 
> leg.
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
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> On 1/14/2011 at 6:14 AM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:
>
> > Apparently your mind is already made up so no amount of debate is going
> > to change that.
> > All the "statistics" were estimates based on local land prices and my
> > experiences growing food for sale.
> > Paul the Skeptic
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Not working? News to me. Look, you dismissed well-proven benefits of
> > small scale intensive growing on grounds people can't make a living at it,
> > and touted your "qualifications" to cite statistics you apparently made
> > up. You must know you'll get challenged on that, but I didn't censor your
> > post, did I. Now if you really want to debate how aquaponics stacks up
> > financially against small scale intensive, I'm game. Or not?
> > > paul tradingpost@lobo.net
> > >
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> > >
> > > On 1/13/2011 at 8:52 PM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, if it is so simple then why is it not working?
> > > > I was trying to point out problems and why the system quit working and
> > > > possible solutions, not being sarcastic as yourself not to mention I 
> > > > was
> > > > not derisive of your qualifications as you were mine.
> > > > I guess flaming is ok since you seem to run the site.
> > > > I thought that the idea here was to help not ridicule however I noticed
> > > > that this is not the case.
> > > > Paul the Skeptic
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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