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  • From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] More on Low Dairy and Meat Diets
  • Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:49:03 -0600


Yes and like I mentioned before, as far as practical. But there are a few
more facts. One is that by recycling and buying second hand we not only cut
down on waste, we deprive the system of our retail purchases and save the
resources needed to manufacture them in the first place. There are millions
of used cars out there with a few scrapes, and existing houses that need some
work to be liveable, good used clothing with many other uses, and on and on.
So we can make a large dent in the consumer products made and sold by the
corporations. So doing we can also live with less or no credit and the
interest on the loans. That makes a concrete difference. And we don't have to
be foot soldiers working for corporations either. Like I said, far as
practical.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 6/24/2010 at 2:04 PM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:

>All so true, but the problem is that if you drive a car, live in any
>structure other than materials close at hand, eat anything other than what
>you grow. use a computer or wear clothes other than what you make from
>scratch, you support all of these corperate controls. Thems the facts
>folks. Paul the Skeptic
>
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>> And in most industrialized countries such as ours corporate control of
>> government is the dominant avenue of limiting our freedoms. Examples:
>> Monsanto, Cargill, Archer Daniels Midland. All the lobbying and campaign
>> financing to cut regulations on corporations is bought and paid for by -
>> corporations. Since their only mandate is profit for the vast wealth of
>> the owners, our freedoms to work where we please, buy what we please from
>> whom we please, say what we please, and live where we please are all
>> limited by corporate dictates we have no voice or vote in whatsoever.
>It's
>> the feudalism of the modern age.
>>
>> Want to sell raw milk? Want to make enough money to live on? Want safe,
>> effective medicine? Want to avoid GMOs next door to your farm? Want
>> unpolluted air and water? Want safe food? Want to bring back good paying
>> jobs from China, allow unions, and stop the CEO of Wal-Mart from getting
>> 900 times the pay of a checkout "associate"? Want to stop development
>from
>> eating up good farmland? Want to stop poisoning field and orchard workers
>> with pesticides? Want to criticize companies in public without being sued
>> for "commercial disparagement"? Want fishermen and shrimpers on the Gulf
>> coast to enjoy good livelihoods? The list goes on and on. In every case,
>> corporate profit denies us these rights and bought politicians back them
>> up.
>>
>> Nowhere is corporate control more evident than in agriculture. But I can
>> grow a lot of good food on a small patch they wouldn't find profitable.
>> And sell direct to customers without corporate processors, distributors,
>> and chain stores getting in between me and them and ruining my produce.
>>
>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
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>> On 6/24/2010 at 2:47 AM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:
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>>>Have you ever tried living in another country? If so, then you know
>>>the true value of what little ffreedoms we do have left. Standard of
>>>living and infant mortality don't mean squat if you have limited
>>>freedoms.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On Jun 23, 2010, at 10:21 PM, "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hoewever, statistically several other countries have a higher
>>>> standard of living, lower infant mortality, better health care,
>>>> shorter work hours, and more paid holidays. Our country may be way
>>>> better for some, but not for the vast majority of us. Americans of
>>>> course won't believe that because they know this is the greatest
>>>> country that ever was. But we can love our native land without all
>>>> the false patriotic hype we're fed. I'm esp attached to the 4
>>>> Corners region where I've settled for ten years. The sense of place
>>>> is part of us. In spite of it all I'm glad to be here.
>>>>
>>>> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 6/23/2010 at 7:10 PM paul@oneseedling.com wrote:
>>>>
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