Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>]

Brad is good, got his first volume from him a couple years ago in Abq. I 
differ on them (permaculture seminars) making a living doing what they 
believe in, since the ones I've heard of don't practice it, or they only 
dabble in it. And Mollison himself has had serious fights with American 
promoters of permaculture. I agree the concepts are needed. But sustainably 
produced and affordable food right now for the masses is still our number one 
agricultural need, and permaculture isn't meant to deal with that. It's a 
design system, a theory, not a plan for high, sustainable production from the 
least land. For my part I practice what I promote, a form of profitable, 
affordable biointensive which is organic no-till plus other proven practices. 
I rely on an unbroken line of growers and writers from Sir Albert Howard to 
Chadwick and Jeavons, to the Rodales and Eliot Coleman, to Ken Hargescheimer 
and Rolf Derpsh.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 5/22/2008 at 9:16 AM anna Lorrai wrote:

>I agree with your perspective Carrie,  I've got one of Bill Mollison's
>books and have found many more free sources of information on line.
>Permaculture is a word, a concept, and from that concept we can learn and
>gather ideas.   I'm also very interested in food forests and do the same
>as far is getting info online and through books.
>  I went to a free lecture by Brad Lancaster on Rainwater Harvesting and
>bought a  signed book at a discount. It's in my reference library as well.
> I have no problem with the Permaculture educators making a living off the
>concept.  If someone wants to pay for these workshops, good for them for
>being smart enough to make a living doing what they believe in.   It's my
>choice how I spend my money and there is plenty of low cost information to
>dig into in books and on line.   Anna in Az.,
>
>Carrie Shepard <carrieshepard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>    Ok,
>  at the risk of showing my own lack of intelligence, I must weigh in here.
>
>  For me, reading Bill Mollison's permaculture books helped me think and
>observe what was going on in my garden more than any other gardening books
>did.
>
>  The individual ideas of stacking, watching for patterns, and zones
>related to house position were especially enlightening to me.   I think it
>was the permaculture literature that also encouraged me to watch for the
>whole life cycle of things with an eye to being the best steward.
>
>  I've since come across similar statements in Joel Salatin's or someone
>else's writings about reducing the outside inputs by utilizing as many
>on-site resources in as many different ways as possible...
>
>  All the social engineering and marketing of permaculture, I just ignore.
>
>  Carrie
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