Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>]

You state Permaculture is organic and no-till, then Not everyone can be a 
no-till organic gardener but everyone can be a permaculturist. It's hard to 
imagine how 95% of our population could begin to arrange a homestead to fit 
all the permaculture instructions. It's biggest barrier is the up front cost 
when so many are scraping by now.

A majority of those with a little land can use organic no-till (biointensive 
for highest sustainable production) to feed the rest who are stuck in crowded 
cities. And no, they can't feed themselves from balcony pots.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 5/22/2008 at 8:53 AM McBride & Putnam wrote:

>Permaculture has gotten a bad rep from people wanting to make a quick
>buck using little bits of its overall system from what I can see.  You
>don't need to take a course to use permaculture.  Once you begin to read
>Mollison's books and others and gain a basic understanding you begin to
>live permaculture.  Permaculture is organic and no-till.  You might
>chisel-plow to open up severely compacted soil but sheet mulching, seed
>balls and other no-till methods are much prefered.  Permaculture can feed
>the world because it encourages society to rethink the unwieldy huge urban
>centers that have no means of feeding themselves without importing
>everything--make them less isolated from the country, introduce garden
>parks, make each home a small garden oasis.    And everything begins at
>our own doorstep, whether you live in a big city, a small town or the
>county.  Gray water is recycled, human and animal feces is composted,  in
>the summer the sun side of your home is cooled by shade from trees or
>vines--preferably some that can produce fruit and vegetables.  In the
>winter, that same sun is allowed to enter the windows of  your home to
>help warm your house.  Such simple principles to begin with--you don't
>need to pay thousands of dollars.  Herbs in pots in the kitches or or on
>the terrace or in a spiral just outside the door.  Not everyone can be a
>no-till organic gardener but everyone can be a permaculturist.
>
>Claudia
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ken Hargesheimer
>  To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
>  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:52 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Why Bother With Permaculture?
>
>
>  Permaculture cannot feed the world.  Organic, no-till can regardless of
>how high the population goes and can do so forever.
>
>  Prices for their classes. It is like the cost of Holistic Ranching
>workshops. Last one I heard about was $1000 for the weekend.  Is their
>motive their belief in a system or their desire for big bucks?   Just my
>view point.
>
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