Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["Harold and Sue Karber" <karber@pldi.net>]

Grass fed animals do not eat grain so do not lessen the grain available to 
humans nor do they need the grain used to produce ethanol for fuel for cars 
which is so dumb.   My hay areas are not fit for crops and I don't want to 
loose the trees or the top soil but rather build on both.   My husband has 
to have protein in meat.   I don't require as much.   He is unable to eat 
soy  at all period as is one of our sons.    Many animals earn their keep 
even goats can pull a cart.  Cover crops can add to winter feed as well and 
still make green manure.   Minerals and sea salt are given free choice. 
Chickens can be raised on worms, fly larva that is raised for that purpose 
and not allowed to become flies, other bugs raised on purpose and free 
range.   Fish can be raised with worms that also add castings for gardens 
that are raised on bunny poo and bedding,  with eggs that always enter the 
garden adding worms to the land....  I can stick a shovel anywhere and find 
worms on my place.    That is good for everyone.   The fish water repurposed 
for watering garden when drawn down to clean and some fish/plants can 
actually help clean water.     One of my best friends and his family are now 
seeing how much animals contribute to the veggies we give them and they are 
second and third generation vegetarians but new to how they get their food. 
They are now using clean animal manure in their tiny city garden, actually 
loving going to farmer's markets in the area instead of the big commercial 
stores.   World of difference in quality, quantity for the same price.   The 
farmer's market has really been an education since the growers talk to their 
customers and educate them and even help the customer grow their little 
gardens better.     As a second and third generation vegetarian they had 
totally lost contact with the real world of food.   Many people have.   The 
multinational corporations have really done a number on consumers who don't 
realize that locally organically grown is their only true friend in 
supplying their food and needs to be protected.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TradingPostPaul" <tradingpost@riseup.net>
To: <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Agriculture and Food Consumption


> The masses have to learn to feed themselves, but won't for the most part. 
> I
> do my part where I am. I've proved to myself it can be done, and on very
> little land without much investment, but they can't be forced against 
> their
> will. Actually native americans - probably upwards of ten million - did
> have domesticated stock in some places, but relied more on gardening and
> gathering to have food year round, and did extensive long distance 
> trading.
> The official version you rely on has nothing to do with the real history.
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
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> On 10/14/2007 at 5:46 PM su do wrote:
>
> > I think the high volume to feed the masses is the real
> > problem.