Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[su do <speakingbeareturns@yahoo.com>]

I think the high volume to feed the masses is the real
problem. The Indian did not raise cattle, they hunted
the free roaming herds. Well we know the rest of
history!
--- TradingPostPaul <tradingpost@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> Basically agree, livestock have a place. I'm not
> vegetarian but have cut my
> beef consumption way back in my later years, partly
> for health and partly
> for other reasons. Yes, livestock do fertilize the
> land. I recycle manure
> from nearby and value it highly. It's the factory
> farms and monster
> feedlots, esp of the midwest breadbasket, that
> consume so much corn and
> grain production, and their manure simply goes to
> waste and pollutes our
> waterways instead of fertilizing cropland. It's way
> over the top. We don't
> need to eat so much meat. And we need that
> productive farmland to be
> producing wholesome food to eat directly, and we
> need to be using our
> freshwater more efficiently. So if livestock was
> raised only in areas
> suitable only for pasture, without grain diets, we'd
> raise a lot less beef
> and farm far more efficiently and sustainably, and
> be better off for it.
> This is the middle ground that seems sensible to me.
> 
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
> 
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> 
> On 10/14/2007 at 5:26 AM Ken Hargesheimer wrote:
> 
> >Vegetarianism
> >
> >  The vegetarian myth is disproved.  It is often
> stated that meat produces
> >one-fourth to one-tenth the food that using that
> same land for a
> >vegetarian diet would produce.  That is not the
> whole picture.  Animals
> >who transform one-fourth of their food into meat
> transform three-quarters
> >of their food into manures (high value fertilizer)
> which is transformed
> >into humus which is transformed into crops for both
> livestock and people. 
> >Organic agriculture recycles everything and
> transforms inert minerals,
> >air, water and sunshine into increased biota
> through feeding the microherd
> >a full diet including animal wastes.  There is more
> life created into
> >existence out of the dead planetary chemistry than
> vegetarians are able to
> >account for with their tired false myth. [Lion
> Kuntz]  
> >   
> >  Much of the land in many countries is suitable
> only for pasture which
> >can be used only to produce meat.  Meat [lean and
> fat] provides nutrients
> >that are difficult to get from other sources.
> >   
> >  Ken Hargesheimer
> >   
> >  Aliza <realfood@wonderfulfarm.com> wrote:
> >  I am getting so tired of this whole grain/water
> consumption commentary
> >about livestock. 
> >       
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