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[David Minton <dminton AT mindspring.com>]

I think it has been hinted that this will be allowed (VOIP over WiFi),
though not VOIP over Edge.

David


On 3/10/08 11:56 AM, "Greg Brown" <gwbrown1 AT gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd like to have the iPhone, when on it's "home network" make all calls VoIP
> (anytime there is a wi-fi network, really.. this could be selectable of
> course).  This would solve my problem at AT&T's sucky coverage on the Outer
> Banks.  And what's the difference if you already have an unlimited plan?  
> You
> can't use minutes you can't access.  The VoIP angle would solve that problem
> nicely.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ilan Volow <listboy AT clarux.com> wrote:
>> When my boss was looking for The Perfect Mobile Device(tm) because
>> AT&T+iPhone kept dropping calls, and I was tasked with setting up his
>> BlackBerry, I found out the hard way that the BlackBerry doesn't respect
>> standard IMAP flags (read, deleted, etc) and that e-mail messages that were
>> read on Apple Mail were not being marked as having been read on the
>> blackberry (like they were when using the iPhone). After looking into it
>> further, my conclusion (right or not) was that BlackBerry was on purpose 
>> not
>> playing nice with IMAP, so that you had to spend lots of $$$ for their
>> exchange server tie-in; if you're a completely non-microsoft shop, then
>> you're SOL in terms of the BlackBerry giving a decent mail-reading user
>> experience. Frankly, that sort of thing scares me a lot more than DMCA or
>> iPhone bricking.
>> 
>> Anyhow, the boss went back to using the iPhone for mobile web browsing plus
>> another phone from Verizon for making voice calls. If there is a way to get
>> BlackBerry to play nice with IMAP that I just didn't discover, I'd 
>> certainly
>> like to know what it is.
>> 
>> -- Ilan
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
>> 
>>> Thomas Beckett wrote:
>>>  
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>>>> Greg Brown wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> Getting the device to operate on a carrier that works a damn in this 
>>>>> area.
>>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, with all its shortcomings (and the insanely great stuff, too), the
>>>> biggest technical flaw in the iPhone is AT&T.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here in Australia (even further than Charlotte!), I run into people with
>>> iPhones pretty frequently.  They are not sold here - people buy them
>>> from eBay or friends in the US, unlock them, and replace the SIM cards
>>> with a local carrier.   These folks are not necessarily highly technical
>>> computer geeks either - typically the eBay sellers do the unlocking, or
>>> local independent phone vendors (since the "unlocking" just breaks a
>>> US-based contract, and there's no DMCA here, it's not anything the
>>> authorities care about).
>>> 
>>> The biggest downside here has been lack of 3G/HSDPA support in the
>>> iPhone, but that is expected to change with the next major "release"
>>> (which possibly will correspond with the launch in Australia).  Apple
>>> may find that it is hard to launch the iPhone locked to a particularly
>>> carrier, too - the Australian consumer commission or whatever it's
>>> called looks pretty dimly on this sort of anticompetitive behavior.
>>> 
>>> Are people in the US that scared of AT&T and/or the DMCA that they
>>> aren't unlocking the phones to any kind of widespread level?
>>> 
>>> As for applications, I'd like to see a more native application that
>>> interfaces with my company email, similar to the way my Blackberry does,
>>> or the Windows Mobile devices can do.  (Company uses MS Exchange.)  Yes,
>>> you can check Outlook Web Access through the browser, but it's a bit
>>> clunky, and from what I've seen, the IMAP access is slow especially
>>> without HSDPA.  But I don't have a lot of experience using one.
>>> 
>>> --Jeremy
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>>  
>> Ilan Volow
>> "Implicit code is inherently evil, and here's the reason why:"
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
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