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[Ian Meyer <ianmeyer AT gmail.com>]

El Jobso said directly, in regards to the question of "Will VoIP apps  
be allowed?" that not over edge, but over WiFi, sure.

T-Mobile has something like that, where it switches off from VoIP over  
home WiFi to the cell network, even mid-call. I've heard it even works  
pretty well.

~ian

ps: keep in mind that the "iPhone 2.0" coming in June was announced as  
a software upgrade for existing hardware. When new hardware will show  
up is still anyone's guess.


On Mar 10, 2008, at 6:00 PM, David Minton wrote:

> I think it has been hinted that this will be allowed (VOIP over WiFi),
> though not VOIP over Edge.
>
> David
>
>
> On 3/10/08 11:56 AM, "Greg Brown" <gwbrown1 AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to have the iPhone, when on it's "home network" make all  
> > calls VoIP
> > (anytime there is a wi-fi network, really.. this could be  
> > selectable of
> > course).  This would solve my problem at AT&T's sucky coverage on  
> > the Outer
> > Banks.  And what's the difference if you already have an unlimited  
> > plan?  You
> > can't use minutes you can't access.  The VoIP angle would solve  
> > that problem
> > nicely.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ilan Volow <listboy AT clarux.com>  
> > wrote:
> > > When my boss was looking for The Perfect Mobile Device(tm) because
> > > AT&T+iPhone kept dropping calls, and I was tasked with setting up  
> > > his
> > > BlackBerry, I found out the hard way that the BlackBerry doesn't  
> > > respect
> > > standard IMAP flags (read, deleted, etc) and that e-mail messages  
> > > that were
> > > read on Apple Mail were not being marked as having been read on the
> > > blackberry (like they were when using the iPhone). After looking  
> > > into it
> > > further, my conclusion (right or not) was that BlackBerry was on  
> > > purpose not
> > > playing nice with IMAP, so that you had to spend lots of $$$ for  
> > > their
> > > exchange server tie-in; if you're a completely non-microsoft shop,  
> > > then
> > > you're SOL in terms of the BlackBerry giving a decent mail-reading  
> > > user
> > > experience. Frankly, that sort of thing scares me a lot more than  
> > > DMCA or
> > > iPhone bricking.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, the boss went back to using the iPhone for mobile web  
> > > browsing plus
> > > another phone from Verizon for making voice calls. If there is a  
> > > way to get
> > > BlackBerry to play nice with IMAP that I just didn't discover, I'd  
> > > certainly
> > > like to know what it is.
> > >
> > > -- Ilan
> > >
> > > On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thomas Beckett wrote:
> > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Greg Brown wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Getting the device to operate on a carrier that works a damn in  
> > > > > > this area.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, with all its shortcomings (and the insanely great stuff,  
> > > > > too), the
> > > > > biggest technical flaw in the iPhone is AT&T.
> > > >
> > > > Here in Australia (even further than Charlotte!), I run into  
> > > > people with
> > > > iPhones pretty frequently.  They are not sold here - people buy  
> > > > them
> > > > from eBay or friends in the US, unlock them, and replace the SIM  
> > > > cards
> > > > with a local carrier.   These folks are not necessarily highly  
> > > > technical
> > > > computer geeks either - typically the eBay sellers do the  
> > > > unlocking, or
> > > > local independent phone vendors (since the "unlocking" just  
> > > > breaks a
> > > > US-based contract, and there's no DMCA here, it's not anything the
> > > > authorities care about).
> > > >
> > > > The biggest downside here has been lack of 3G/HSDPA support in the
> > > > iPhone, but that is expected to change with the next major  
> > > > "release"
> > > > (which possibly will correspond with the launch in Australia).   
> > > > Apple
> > > > may find that it is hard to launch the iPhone locked to a  
> > > > particularly
> > > > carrier, too - the Australian consumer commission or whatever it's
> > > > called looks pretty dimly on this sort of anticompetitive behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Are people in the US that scared of AT&T and/or the DMCA that they
> > > > aren't unlocking the phones to any kind of widespread level?
> > > >
> > > > As for applications, I'd like to see a more native application that
> > > > interfaces with my company email, similar to the way my  
> > > > Blackberry does,
> > > > or the Windows Mobile devices can do.  (Company uses MS  
> > > > Exchange.)  Yes,
> > > > you can check Outlook Web Access through the browser, but it's a  
> > > > bit
> > > > clunky, and from what I've seen, the IMAP access is slow especially
> > > > without HSDPA.  But I don't have a lot of experience using one.
> > > >
> > > > --Jeremy
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> > > Ilan Volow
> > > "Implicit code is inherently evil, and here's the reason why:"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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