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  • From: trekkie AT nomorestars.com
  • To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: RE: [internetworkers] Marriage and religion
  • Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:29:55 -0500

Quoting Shea Tisdale <shea AT sheatisdale.com>:

> Just some questions and thoughts on this. Your statement seems awfully
> broad. Is it equally appalling to you that the country was founded under
> the Christian belief that all men are created equal with Creator endowed
> rights?

Yeah, it was broad. It just seems like since about mid 90s we went from
being
a country that had a general belief in god to a country that had to believe
the
most extremist version of said 'christian' god and everything else was
'satanic'

It came from both sides. Tipper Gore and her quest against 'immoral' music,
Dan
Quayle and his 'family values' and the evils of Murphy Brown.

There are countless other extremist viewpoints.

If they wanted to improve 'family values' so much lets do a few things that
the
government should step in.

1) Enforce child support nationally, make it a lein on your income via your
SSN, if your income is reported your employer should yank it out just like
they
do every other tax. You brought a kid into the world, you pay for it. No
more
of this other crap.

2) Make divorce illegal. How's that for family values? We wouldn't have
all
these broken homes and all the other ills of civilization (according to the
'family values' camp if it wasn't for divorce in the first place. I'm not
saying do this from a religious standpoint, but simply make a marriage license
irrevokable. (sp?)

3) Single People Pay More money for taxes! Not that I think it'd help me
since my wife has the honor of not working and staying home because she wants
to play with our two young ones (2 and almost 6 months) but for those that
don't have the fortune that I do lower the taxes on dual income families. I
remember watching 20/20 or one of those news shows years ago and a family in
my
home town (Lawrence, KS) was interviewed and it showed due to their income and
their needs for caring for children during the day they were loosing $400 -
$500 a month than if only one of them worked. How's that for social
commentary. She couldn't quit though because she'd just found out she was
pregnant with a third child.

I'm sure we could come up with a ton of other options short of banning
'unnatural' unions due to some religious background. If the god-fearing or
god-hating founding fathers wanted to make explicit marriage they'd have put
it
in there, not left it out. It's not like homosexuality is a 20th century
phenomenon, it's just more out there because A) it sells right now and B)
Communication methods have expanded. 'nancy boys' and such have been around
for eons, it's nothing new, they're just more 'out' now.


> > But then again, I think about things more than some people do. Bush
>
> > sure doesn't seem to stick to the old republican doctrine of 'less
>
> > government is better'
>
>
>
> That's because the current members of the Republican establishment are so
> afraid of being accused of not caring. Therefore, they spend billions of
> dollars of our money to prove that they are compassionate.

Yeah they don't want another incident of George Bush Sr. standing on the back
of
a train effectively ignoring MTV's Tabitha Soren. talk about killing off
your
chances.

I can't understand why everyone buys this malarky either. Trolling for easy
votes from the 'the lord says vote' crowd in my opinion. Toss out a few
anti-stem cell, anti-gay things in an election year and you lock in the one
track mind group.

> I'm probably really weird here, but I believe that anyone who enters into
> the United States or our territories should have the protection of our
> Constitution. Otherwise, to me, it seems hollow to say that we believe X
> and Y.except for you visitors.

Yeah I am a bit iffy on my last comment. I guess my big issue is that our
system comes at a price, and visitors don't pay it. Why should we foot the
bill? Deportation hearings for people who violate our law should be short &
sweet. Otherwise they get to stick around for a long time.

I do admit I am somewhat impressed with Bush's effort to identify immigrants
and
migrant workers. But underneath it all I see an attempt to document so we can
tax. I've talked with a few folks that are migrant and they come to the US to
make the money, and then go live off of it during the nicer weather down
south.
I feel that if they're willing to do the work, we should get the income
taxes
off of it.

This has been one of the more interesting threads here since I moved here and
I
hope it continues without degenerating. Makes a person feel good that not
everyone is closed up mentally.




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