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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Kaiser foundation report - side-by-side comparison of the progression of the 
heatlh care bill from HR 3962, to HR 3590 signed into law, and then HR 4872 
reconcilliation.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf


      
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Couldn't agree more with what you are saying Lynda. It is more 
important now than ever that we look out for ourselves and cut our
dependency on the government wherever we can. Rahm Emmanuel
stated in earlier speeches that healthcare and global warming were
areas where they could bring about a redistribution of wealth. I don't 
think they ever were serious about the promises being made and had
greater goals in mind.
 
Now if they can get the census numbers to come in the way they want
and shift the population numbers to their districts and states they can 
shift perhaps dozens of republican seats to the democrats for the  next
10 years without having to win an election in a tough district to do it.  
Now
that they have ACORN approved again to participate, I think we will  see
them accomplish that goal. 
 
I was also disappointed with the secret inclusion of college loans in the 
healthcare bill. It has no relation and should have been a separately  
debated
issue. With 2 kids in college, the idea that no one can compete with the 
government for the loan dollars is scary. This means that you force nearly 
every college student in the US to start out life indebted to the  
government.
One more way of controlling us. It all reminds me of the old company  store
model where you house the workers and provide the store for them to  buy
from but the tab they run for everything is owed to the employer so you  can
never quit. 
 
Drew
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2010 1:49:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

What I  don't understand is why people who voted for him didn't do their 
homework  OR listen to him.  The funny thing is that he made a speech about 
one  of the great downfalls of the American people, the failure to actually 
 
listen.  And this great downfall is what he counted on.

He  said precisely what he was going to do:  up the anti in Afghanistan, 
Zero  
to Five, healthcare his way whether the American public wanted it or not,  
and so forth and so on.

Did no one actually read his book.   And I mean actually read it and then 
follow the breadcrumbs he left in the  book.  I think most of the folks on 
this list were in college at some  point or another.  You yellow 
highlighted 
and then you delved deeper  into those parts to better understand what was 
being said.

He  campaigned on "transparency."  He slashed just about every Repub out  
there as being sneaky, sneaky, sneaky.  I'll put my meeting on CSAN,  blah, 
blah, blah.  No lobbyists, blah, blah, blah.  No political  payoffs, blah, 
blah, blah.  Doesn't anyone consider it a slap in the  face that from day 
one 
he went full steam ahead with secret meetings,  lobbyists, political 
payoffs 
and sealed records?

Get your piece of  land paid off, save your seeds (follow the Monsanto 
trail 
in his cabinet)  and prepare for WTSHTF!

As to TJ, silly man, it's a Constitutional,  federalist representative 
republic, NOT a democracy!  <g>

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EarthNSky"  <erthnsky AT gmail.com>
>
> Perhaps that is because you are  from his state where people had a more
> realistic view.  Plus,  Marie, I'd imagine that most people you meet are
> as least as  intelligent as you are.  I've only driven through your neck
> of  the woods, but I don't recall seeing a lot of minorities there, and
> it  was the minority faction that mostly were referring to him as their
>  Savior, with the capital S.  Those factions would include people  of
> color, of course, but also immigrants, the gay and lesbian  community,
> and to some extent, new vets and those disenchanted with  the justice
> system, notably, prisoners.  I do recall seeing a  huge prison, but that
> was in southern IL, and I doubt you would have  much dealing with
> prisoners anyway.  :)
>>
> Well,  there are still guys in orange down in Gitmo...we still have
> solders  in Iraq...gay marriage is still illegal in my state... the
> Muslim  world still hates us...etc. etc.
> I really don't see that his  presidency has brought us any more respect
> in the international  world-it was supposed to...
> I really don't see am era of healing  between the races that his
> presidency was supposed to usher  in..
> I really don't see any improvement in the economy, just  bigger
> government ready to remove even more of my freedom.(President  Obama
> surely doesn't have the patent on making the government larger  and more
> powerful, he is just the latest joker to do so "for the  people".
>
> I'm actually rather amazed that he hasn't sent troops  to Darfur,
> Somalia, or other places in Africa.  Of course, there  are 3 years left
> in his reign.  I tell ya though, people here  think he is a one term
> President, but I know I live in a Blue  State.  Sometimes, when one is so
> totally surrounded by one view,  it is hard to see things from a
> different perspective.   Thankfully, we have the internet, and I can talk
> to all of you who see  things from a different perspective.  Believe it
> or not, I am  STILL trying to find the silver lining in all of this...I
> really did  hope he would have a spine and some class and tell Pelosi and
> Co. to  back off.
>
> The problem with this argument is that President  Obama is not going in > 
> the right direction.  He hasn't even  dropped the sails and anchor to
> slow the boat down.  He continues  down the same path as his
> predecessors, even speeding up our country's  demise with overspending.
> Check out the first chart on this page to  see what I mean.  The
> projections are through 2012.   Interestingly, looking at data on this
> chart puts Obama in the same  class as Reagan and the Bush family when it
> comes to spending.   It actually makes Clinton look good!  Clinton seems
> to have  slowed the boat, even after 20 years of Republican spending(not
>  counting Carter, who, as we all know, was ineffective in most  things).
>
> I can't wait to look at it.  Thankfully, I can  now...I've been online
> more than usual today, so I am close to the  threshold max.  I'll wait
> until 2 am when there is no speed limit  on Hughesnet.  Still loving it,
> though.
> Anyway, there's  no shame in being disappointed in someone you had hoped
> would do  well.  I did not vote for Bush, but was disappointed in him
> just  like the millions who did.  I don't know how the United States of
>  America will pull itself out of this mess.
>
> -- 
> The  democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
>  willing to work and give to those who would not.      Thomas  Jefferson

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