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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Challenge
  • Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:19:14 -0700

As I understand it, from friends in Germany, Finland and a couple of other European countries, it isn't so much the tort reform we need as the bringing down of the AMA wall. Bad doctors in other countries don't get to continue practicing if they kill people. They come over here and get a new license to kill.

A good example of how this is done is the local FNP. She got run out of Portland, so she came down to CA. OR didn't send along all of the dings on her record in OR to the CA nursing board. Right now, as I type, there are 17 people in this very small valley who are filing complaints against her. She literally killed my neighbor. She has sentenced another neighbor's 8 year old daughter to a lifetime of pain and misery (Lyme. They were told she was a "drama queen" and that they should go home and "pray" as there was nothing the medical profession could do for an 8 year old hypochondriac). Told another family their 10 year old had lung cancer (no test, he had walking pneumonia) and to go home and "enjoy the time you have left." Called a 16 year old girl (in the Special Ed class) on her cell at school to tell her she had herpies and that if she didn't already have cancer she would have it shortly. Then hung up after telling her to "call sometime next week for an appointment so we can talk about how we are going to treat the cancer you're getting."

So, we do need "some" tort reform but we really need licensing reform! Well, and scam reform. Friend in Texas had a tumor on her leg. Her GP had all the tests done (blood, x-rays, scans, biopsies, etc.). Sent her to a specialist (vascular surgeon) and he ordered ALL of the tests to be done again. Complete waste of money!

Plus doctor shopping and folks who think visiting a doctor is a social occasion so schedule to see them when they don't need to.

All in all, we need LOTS of reform!

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>


The main difference and the thing that holds us back is what the Dems
refuse to address and that is Tort reform. French doctors don't fear being
sued every time they make a diagnosis. If we can take the lawyers out
of the mix we can solve a bunch of the health care problems quite easily.
I have French doctors as friends and there is also much they envy of our
system, so it is far from perfect in their world either.

We can't update our medical records systems to the level they would like
as that is where most evidence that later appears in court comes from.
Face it, as long as the doctors, hospitals and insurers are on the
defensive,
we will not be able to make certain advances.

Drew



In a message dated 3/29/2010 2:06:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lurine AT com-pair.net writes:

I've been looking at the French system because it has done a couple of
things I like and think we'd be well advised to copy. It has brought
paperwork and billing into the 21st century and thus cut costs to doctors
WAY down. I know our doctor is beginning to use a level of their
computerized systems (almost all notes directly on the computer and all
prescriptions sent electronically directly to the pharmacy) but has yet to
update the medical records system they use.

However, there are a lot of people (thousands) not covered by the French
plans (there are about 3 you have to choose from) AND it is not 100%
coverage. People have to buy their own supplemental or pay anywhere from
20-40% as co-pays.

And I suppose you could say that society provides the healthcare in Japan.
Employers and employees pay the fees, out of each paycheck, for themselves
and the poor. And you do have a co-pay although they have a monthly
out-of-pocket max.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <becida AT comcast.net>


In Canada or France or GB or Japan this would not be an issue, it
would not come up. Health care is like fire protection or police,
it's something the society does.

Rob
becida AT comcast.net

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