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["Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>]

Bev; I think there has always been a philosophical divide in this country; 
Obama's promises just widened it more. I'm not really on either 'side'. I 
don't like the idea of government being in my business...the less 
government, the better. BUT, under the Republicans, the rich got richer, not 
through hard work, but through friends in high places that relaxed the rules 
to let them take advantage of the rest of us. It sounded like Obama would 
fix that, when in reality he turned government over to Wall St. I was not an 
Obama supporter, but I would still like to see him keep his promises and 
succeed.

I think there are a growing nunber of people, all over the political 
spectrum, that are disgusted with politics. It's time for a third  party, if 
the right person comes along. I like Ron Paul, but he doesn't seem to have 
the strength to stick with a fight to the end. I'm disgusted that even the 
best-meaning politicians (are there any?...politics seems to attract selfish 
narcissists) have to compromise their ideals and get down in the dirt to get 
anything done. The Kennedys, I think, always cast a bit of a taint on the 
good they did by acting like a bunch of rich frat boys.

I agree that if you aren't born a Kennedy, the best way to succeed is 
"independent of the system". But we are brainwashed from a young age to 
think that 'success' means a big house, fancy car, 80 hour a week job, and 
lots of 'stuff'. My definition of 'success' is much different (and much more 
internalized...health, doing things I enjoy, not having to punch a timeclock 
or answer to anyone, and never again doing work that I don't believe in); it 
looks like poverty and a hard life to many people, but to me, being a 
materialist 'wage slave' is the hard life. Following that 'different 
drummer' can be lonely, as I'm sure you and many on this list have found, 
too.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Democrats, past, present and future-was Video


> The irony, Lynn, is that those who saw through Obama's veil before the
> election, those who knew he would not keep his promises, were called
> racist and branded as pariahs, even though their concerns had no bearing
> on race.  Concerning THE race, the man's campaign promise was all about
> Change, and he talked about unity and change for the better, yada yada
> yuk.. The thing is, in effect, he has created huge divisions in this
> country that are not racial, but philosophical, and the fissures are
> opening, not closing, I think.  If you think there might have been a
> race war or something similar, you are looking at maybe an 75/25 split
> in the population.  If you consider a philosophical war, at present, you
> are looking at a 50/50 split, and the only precedent for resolving a
> philosophical difference of that order happened 150 years ago, and in my
> mind, did not end justly or cleanly with respect to state's rights
> concerns.  There is a scene in Firefly where Reynolds is taunted for
> being on the wrong side in the Unification War.  He says something to
> the effect of 'Yeah, I fought on the losing side, but that is not the
> same as fighting on the wrong side.'  It is a point that the victors in
> war like to forget.  It is just that we all never want to look at
> ourselves naked in the mirror.  Unfortunately, if we don't find the
> courage to look at our flaws and failed hopes and dreams in a realistic
> way, not an idealistic way, then when we finally do get around to making
> any kind of move, it may be too little, too late to affect any kind of
> change.  First your philosophical convictions must be strong, and you
> must respect the other side's views.  You have to figure out how to make
> the other side happy without giving up too much of what is core to your
> own being.  (Most people don't even know what they believe-they just
> follow the crowd).  Once you can realistically draw up a compromise,
> then you can affect change that is meaningful to all.   Change.  Funny.
>
> I know that many of you aren't giving up hope on President Obama, and I
> suppose there is even a part of me that is still trying to keep Hope
> alive with Secret CPR<g>, but of those of you who supported him, loved
> him, supported the Democratic platform in this last election, is there
> anyone on this list who has the courage to say "I'm
> disappointed/dissatisfied/discouraged with the Obama Presidency so far"
>  or, is everyone still, shall we say, under his 'spell'?
>
> Tell me what our President has accomplished that I can be proud of...
>
>
> Part Two...
> I think everyone knows I'm fairly conservative in my views and I've been
> pretty tough on liberals here on the list.  I'd like to take this
> opportunity to say that while I was never a Kennedy supporter or fan, I
> highly respect Senator Kennedy's contribution to American politics and
> our country.  Life as we know it would be very different had Joseph
> Kennedy not encouraged his sons to enter politics.  The First Kennedy
> Era is over, and as a final tribute, it looks like any kind of
> healthcare bill will bear Uncle Teddy's last name.  I suppose he would
> like that tribute, and I suppose it is earned, if the bill is roughly
> his and not roughly Obama's.   Anyway, I have to admit that Senator
> Kennedy for all the scandal and drinking jokes in his life and career,
> did make the world, and our country, a better place.  That's my opinion
> and judgment on the total effect of his career.  Of course, I haven't
> followed politics except for the last 15 years or so, so I could be
> wrong.  In my mind, if he in any way, contributed to peace in Northern
> Ireland, then that erases a lot of crap.  He can now enjoy his drinks in
> the big Irish Pub in the Sky, because it wasn't blown to bits.  The
> drinks are on the House Teddy, rest in peace, and thanks for serving
> your country.  We await the beginning of the Second Kennedy Era and who
> can say what changes that will bring.  Three hundred years from now, if
> we are around, students will read about how the Kennedy family
> influenced change-positive and negative, in America, the way we now read
>  Thomas Jefferson, the Federalist papers and other Founding Fathers
> thoughts about what our country should be.  They are rewriting the Poli
> Sci books faster than I can type this.
>
> Bev, who often wonders why the poor are so often satisfied living on the
> crumbs-the charity of those with money, instead of going out and making
> themselves independent of the system.
>
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> > Leslie; Thanks for the link. I'm about an hour into the video; it's
> > well done (and I generally don't like conspiracy theories). I think
> > it's a little early in Obama's term to write him off completely, but
> > I agree that so far he's broken almost every promise he made. Filling
> > his administration with bankers and openly funneling money to banks
> > certainly is in keeping with the "banker conspiracy" theory. And
> > stupid people keep playing their game and giving Wall St. their
> > money. Write to your Rep. to support Ron Paul's "audit the fed" bill.
> --
> Sleep well tonight, for somewhere in the ocean's depths, MY son is
> protecting your freedom on the USS Key West, currently deployed
> somewhere in the Pacific and/or Indian Ocean.  Go Navy!
> EarthNSky Farm, NW Georgia, USA
>
>
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