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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Most states, well, all states since we now have a national ID, require a 
birth certificate to get a driver's license or state ID card, passport, 
Social Security number and so forth and so on..

For employment you have to fill out an I-9 and one of the pieces of ID, List 
C (Employment Eligibility) is "Original or certified copy of a birth 
certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying 
possession of the U.S. bearing an official seal"

The I-9 is required for *any* employment in the U.S., INCLUDING the 
presidency!

So, the ol' birth certificate is not so obsolete.

Lynda
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry W. Shepperd" <shepperd AT mail2.pvco.net>
> I don't understand any of the discussion about birth certificates.  I
> have worked for the federal government, a state government, public
> and private education, and several private businesses, and have been
> a student in both public and private universities.  The only times in
> my life that I have been asked for my birth certificate was when I
> registered for the draft and when I applied for a passport.  And, if
> I did not have one and would have volunteered for the Army, they
> would have taken me, anyway.   In most areas of life, the birth
> certificate is an inconsequential, and in many cases, a nonexistent
> piece of paper.  Because of this, I have a suspicion, no proof, mind
> you, that most of the talk about Obama's birth certificate is highly
> partisan and malicious in intent. No one asked for Bush or Clinton's
> birth certificates.  We took it on faith that they were born where
> they said they were born.
>
> It is time to drop the nonsense about Obama's birth certificate and
> deal with the monumental real issues that are facing us.
>
> Jerry Shepperd
>
>
> At 08:30 PM 7/30/2009, DSanner106 AT aol.com wrote:
> > I have had to produce an original, notarized birth certificate for every
> > job
> > I have held in the last 15 years or so, When I worked for the state, 
> > unlike
> > the Presidency, none of my jobs required I be born in the USA to hold.
> > I also had to produce one to enroll in each of the two colleges I 
> > attended.
> >  What is the
> > big deal, he can solve it all by actually producing an original. The only
> > one we
> > have seen was not signed off on by anyone working at the hospital, and is
> > dated
> > 2007. It is a fact that four separate lawfirms were hired to prevent his
> > having to produce
> > these documents and they are not cheap to employ. The cases did not make 
> > it
> >  to
> > trial because they are invoking the rights of the office of president to
> > classify his Birth
> > certificate, all college records including enrollment paperwork and 
> > grades,
> >  his passport
> > and travel documents, his adoption paperwork etc etc. Once the judges saw
> > the evidence
> > could not be produced for trial, the cases were dismissed. There was no
> > ruling on the case
> > itself, only on whether the case was viable, so this is absolutely no sign
> > that the cases
> > were invalid. Can anyone give one reason we, the people employing the
> > president, don't have
> > a right to see the same documents employers all over the country 
> > require???
> >  What is the
> > big secret here?  I used to laugh at the birthers and assumed it was  all
> > hogwash, The coverup
> > we are all witnessing has changed my mind on this. he must be hiding
> > something, but what??
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/30/2009 3:34:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > I don't  follow politics that closely, but, again, is there evidence that
> > he
> > HAS  spent all that money to keeps records sealed? I've read it in many
> > places,  but just because people say it, doesn't make it true. All the
> > 'birther'  cases have been thrown out before they ever got to court, so I
> > doubt he's  spent much on them. I've read that the State of Hawaii sealed
> > his
> > birth  certificate because they didn't want unauthorized people rifling
> > through  their records. How much DOES the public have the right to know? 
> > DO
> > they  have the right to go through non-public documents (school records 
> > and
> >
> > such)? I don't know.
> >
> > I'm convinced that his birth certificate is  legal and real and proves him
> > to
> > be a citizen born in Hawaii.  Obama  has gotten what the state issues when
> > you request a birth certificate...it  is the ONLY birth document they give
> > out. Hawaii no longer issues the  'long form' birth certificates, so I'm
> > not
> > sure what else he can 'show'.  Pennsylvania also doesn't give out a 'long
> > form'...or rather, their 'long  form' is what my kids have, which has
> > exactly
> > the same info as Obama's. I  apparently have Pennsylvania's 'short form',
> > which doesn't have the  parents' names on it...it still got me a passport.
> >
> > He lived in  Indonesia, and his youth and his own family are like a United
> > Nations...that could explain his foreign friends. He's more comfortable
> > than
> > most with foreigners.
> >
> > I was impressed again with Obama on his  backpedaling with the "police
> > acted
> > stupidly" remark. The man digs his way  out of a faux pas better than
> > anyone
> > I know. He is pretty good at what he  does (I'm still not sure what that
> > is).
> > I'm not especially happy with his  policies (I will NEVER understand how
> > you
> > have to spend money to avoid  bankruptcy...it wouldn't work for me!), but
> > he
> > sure is a smooth  talker.
> >
> > Lynn Wigglesworth
> > Tioga Co. PA
> > ----- Original Message  -----
> > From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Homestead  List" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009  11:43 AM
> > Subject: [Homestead] Birthers
> >
> >
> > > Since we were  discussing this a week or so ago, and since I know some 
> > > of
> > > you don't  read Fox, I thought I would post this EDITORIAL about the
> > > birther  movement here.  I had not made the connection between Obama's
> > >  college records and financial aid.  I wondered how he had been able 
> > > to
> > > afford it, but I had not given it too much thought.  Also, it  seemed 
> > > to
> > > me that he had a lot of international friends, more than the  average
> > > American college student of the day.  Foreign students  can be
> > > cliquish(at my 2 year college, like Oxy was to Obama, all the  foreign
> > > students joined one fraternity/sorority pair-and many were  paired
> > > together as roommates if possible.) just like everyone else,  and had 
> > > he
> > > enrolled as an foreign born student, that would certainly  explain all 
> > > of
> > > those non-American roommates and friends, provide scads  of financial
> > > aide, and explain why he his spending a lot of money  covering it 
> > > up..it
> > > is just one more piece of circumstance in the  pie.
> > >
> > > "Can anyone explain why it is smarter for Obama to spend  tens of
> > > thousands of dollars and man-hours defending the suits when he  can win
> > > the lawsuit for free by showing the original  documents?"
> > >
> > >   http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/
> > >
> > >  It is a good question, one that the MSM should be asking/pressing, but
> > >  isn't.
> > >
> > > When all is said and done, years from now, I think we  will fault the
> > > media for cowtowing to administrations and  organizations instead of
> > > fighting for the people's right to  know.  A media backlash is coming.
> > >
> > >  Bev
> > >
> > >> Obama's to Blame for the Birther  Movement
> > >>
> > >> Obama can end the "birthers" controversy in  one single day by
> > >> releasing the original documents, but for some  inexplicable reason he
> > >>  refuses, and the love-struck media  never ask him why...
> > >>
> > >> Trust but  verify.
> > >>
> > >> -- Ronald Reagan
> > >>
> > >> It's  good practice to take a person at his word until someone shows
> > >> you  proof he is lying.
> > >>
> > >> Barack Obama says he was born in  Hawaii, and since no one has shown
> > >> any proof he was born in Kenya  or elsewhere, it's OK to conclude he
> > >> was born in  Hawaii.
> > >>
> > >> Sure his grammar school records show that he  was enrolled as an
> > >> Indonesian Muslim, but some people will say  anything to get their kid
> > >>  in the right school.  It  doesn't really answer the question.
> > >>
> > >> It's OK though for  others not to use my deferential standard and
> > >> continue to question  whether Obama was born in Hawaii.  We aren't
> > >> talking about a  12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.
> > >> There is a  Constitutional mandate that the President be a
> > >> natural-born  citizen, and if Obama is not one, he certainly will have
> > >>   committed the biggest fraud since the White Sox threw the World
> > >>  Series.
> > >>
> > >> The reason why people still question Obama's  citizen status is
> > >> one-fold:  "President Transparency" has  refused to release any
> > >> original documents on the matter.  He  can end the controversy in a
> > >> day by releasing original documents,  but for some inexplicable reason
> > >>  he refuses, and his  love-struck media never asks him why he won't.
> > >> The media instead  spends hell-bent hours on making the Birther
> > >> movement look like  fringy, conspiracy-hungry kooks.
> > >>
> > >> You have to admit  though, even if you are a devout Obama-bot, Obama's
> > >>  refusal  to release any original documents makes for a newsworthy
> > >> story by  itself.
> > >>
> > >> If he really wants the Birthers to shut up, he  has the power to do it
> > >>  by releasing the original documents.  Why not just do it then? It's a
> > >>  simple task. Why not get rid  of a conversation that has been with
> > >> America since the  campaign?
> > >>
> > >> The issue is the subject of several  lawsuits, which only seek a peek
> > >> at original documents. Can anyone  explain why it is smarter for Obama
> > >>  to spend tens of  thousands of dollars and man-hours defending the
> > >> suits when he can  win the lawsuit for free by showing the original
> > >>  documents?
> > >>
> > >> By defending the lawsuits and not showing  the documents, Obama feeds
> > >> the suspicion of those who already  think he is lying.  That's why
> > >> this issue has the power to  linger, and that's Obama's fault alone.
> > >>
> > >> Let's look at  what Obama has released, and you will see they are
> > >> hearsay  documents and not best evidence.
> > >>
> > >> The Birth  Certificate: The certificate put on the Internet by Obama
> > >> and held  up by the media was created in 2007.  In the lower left
> > >>  corner of the form there is reference to a Hawaiian statute that  was
> > >> revised in November of 2001, and if you look closely at the  front you
> > >>  can see bleeding through from the back the date  stamp from 2007 when
> > >>  the document was created.  It's a  certification that an original
> > >> does exit.
> > >>
> > >>  So the the Birthers say:  "Fine.  Then show us the original."   Obama
> > >> says, "No."  Why?
> > >>
> > >> The Newspaper  Announcements: Two birth announcements from Hawaiian
> > >> local papers  show Obama's birth.  The Birthers have a couple of good
> > >>  arguments about them.  First, Hawaii is where Obama's  grandparents
> > >> lived and it's not unusual for grandparents to  announce a birth to
> > >> their friends, even if the grandson lives  elsewhere. Also, if Obama's
> > >>  parents lived in Hawaii then  moved to Kenya when they birthed him,
> > >> it wouldn't be unusual to  announce the birth in the old neighborhood
> > >> for friends to  see.
> > >>
> > >> The newspaper announcements cut against the  Birthers, but they are
> > >> hearsay documents and don't answer the  citizen question any more than
> > >>  his grammar school records  prove he is a Muslim. The original Birth
> > >> Certificate will end it  all.
> > >>
> > >> School Records:  The Birthers believe that  Obama's records from
> > >> college and graduate school will show he  matriculated as a foreign
> > >> born student.  This is easy -- shut  them up by releasing them!
> > >> Obama's response?  "No."   Why?
> > >>
> > >> This one reminds me of John Kerry not releasing  his Yale records
> > >> until after the election.  During the  campaign Kerry soaked in the
> > >> warm media bath that swore he was the  intellectual and George Bush
> > >> the dolt. When the records came out  later it was quietly reported
> > >> that George Bush had a higher grade  point average at Yale.
> > >>
> > >> Media's penchant to cover for  Democrat candidates fuels the Birther
> > >> fire as well.  See as  an example John Edwards' love affair.
> > >>
> > >> Financial Aid  Records:  Barack Obama relishes his own personal Sonia
> > >>  Sotomayor-like story of how he came from a broken home and pulled
> > >>  himself up by his own bootstraps.  But he refuses to show how  his
> > >> very expensive tuition at Occidental College, Columbia  University and
> > >>  Harvard Law School were paid  for.
> > >>
> > >> The Birthers believe the records will show Obama  received financial
> > >> aid as a foreign born student.  Obama says  they won't.  Not to sound
> > >> like a broken record, but releasing  the records will end the
> > >> controversy, and Obama refuses.  Why?
> > >>
> > >> The Birther movement is Obama's fault for not  releasing the records.
> > >> I hope the Birthers continue to bite his  ankles until he releases the
> > >>  records. He deserves nothing  less.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Never expect magic from no  where"  Baringo (Kenyan) working motto
> > >  http://erthnsky.blogspot.com/
> > > EarthNSky Farm, NW Georgia, USA
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