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[bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

' a couple of things I don't understand in your post, you write Blago's 
"pay-to-play-, but Illinois has been involved in pay-to-play as well as other 
illegal and unethical political mechanizations since before my birth.  All 
govt's have it to a degree -- "power corrupts" ; but of State governments in 
this country Louisiana and Illinois have long been recognized as the most 
systemically corrupt.

I said the above from a non-Illinoian POV, because, of questions I have about 
the nature of the President.  Any politician, from any state ,has to have 
high degree of ego, & personal and professional ruthlessness, to get to that 
level-- that is to be expected, from anyone, from anywhere.

But, just how 'clean' could an Illionois machine politician be?  Simon  
always appeared to be honest, maybe he was ...I don't know.  But any 
establishment or machine politician from either Illionois or Louisiana is 
especially suspect just because of the systemic nature of the corruption in 
thiose particular states.

dirksen ; to be lauded for his vote on the '64 Civil Rights Bill, still 
profitted for his family and circle from his political status, just as Al 
Gore Sr. , who voted against the same bill, made his family and friends rich 
from politicl influence peddling ( He was Armand Hammer's 'bottom wh*re" for 
years, )

I have no knock against the people or the geography of Illinois, and there 
are some corrupt politicians who retain admirable qualities (Russell Long,LA, 
as he beacme older, would be a good example), but to put the in-granied 
corruption on the back of one politician doesn't make sesnse to me.  Blago 
just played well in a natural system of corruption.

Anyway, the President has a lot on his plate, I guess we will see his level 
of committment to the Constitution , sooner rather than later.  But, the last 
President from Illinois treated the Constitution like a dirty handkerchief,  
and there wasn't the 'machine' yet in place, so maybe the opposite of history 
will prove to be the positive, this time..........

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--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com> wrote:


> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Lynda
> <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:
> > When I worked for the school district as registrar at
> the high school I had
> > to work with schools and district offices in all 50
> states and multiple
> > cities within each.  When I worked at the CC, I had to
> work with folks in
> > states all over ..... So, I'm not judging those
> getting paid by the taxpayer by CA workers, I'm
> > judging them by all those folks I had to deal with and
> it is scary to think
> > so many goldbricks, and to be quite honest, Peter
> Principle folks, are out
> > there collecting a paycheck!
> 
> And as we say, while taking deep breaths, the effing moron
> teachers
> who call us are the minority.
> >
> > I think it is great that you believe you're
> working with the exceptions but
> > statistics would say otherwise.
> 
> No, I don't believe the hardworking people I work with
> are the
> exceptions. Until the last couple of years the State Board
> was immune
> to placinjg
> Blago's morons, and we really are pretty much highly
> qualified for
> what we do. AND, we'll be lark happy to see the
> backsides of the
> pay-for-play folks.
> 
> For what it'sworth, until Blago raised his ugly head,
> the State Board
> was free of all political influence, which is the only
> reason I ever
> got a job there.
> 
> And, your state routinely votes in folks
> > like Blogo, Daley and Teflon, so I'm not thinking
> it's all peaches and cream
> > out there.
> 
> We've also voted in people like Everett Dirksen,Paul
> Douglas, and Paul
> Simon. Right now we have a slate of constitutional officers
> who could
> all run for the Senate or governorship with no whisper
> about their
> backgrounds.
> .
> 
> >
> > And, while I know this state is currently in trouble,
> everyone better start
> > praying or whatever ya do because if CA goes down the
> John-E
> 
> Looks like you may have a budget. Hope it works.
> 
> Marie
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