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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Ahhh, that's a good one !!! 

 
In the desert  summer, I'll just sit the jars outside.... J/K  ----  :-)
It isn't quite that hot here in the high desert............ might be that hot 
by Bob though


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:

From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Visit to an Earthship !
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 3:25 PM

If the SHTF, then you do dry canning.  You put your flour, etc. in glass jars
and you bake it for two hours at 200 degrees.  The sustained heat kills the
bugs.

And that would be why I have a life time supply of old big pickle jars
<g>

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie"
<cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


She is a chemist at a mine up in Silver City, NM. And she said she is
chemically sensitive, but I wondered if it was work avoidance, since she is a
chemist actively working at a mine......


THANKS............. now... more.


What is a gamma seal lid?

What do bay leaves to as far as weevils?

Are you saying you can store storing flour, as in white, wheat or rye flours
using dry ice also?

Where do I get dry ice?

And, how is dry ice sustainable if TSHTF???
I don't suppose there is a way one can make dry ice at hom





--- On Sun, 1/11/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Visit to an Earthship !
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:23 PM


Leslie wrote:

> 
> He stores wheat, corn, rice, etc. in 5 gallon pails.............. 2"
> of grain on the bottom of the pail, then dry ice, then fills the rest
>  with grain,,,, sets the lid on top, waits 2 hours, then seals them
> up tight.  Said something about the dry ice killing off any pest eggs
>  that may be present.....  That way the food keeps for long periods
> of time.  I dragged my dad with me, and my dad asked him about
> getting larger containers (keg size) for food storage.  He said no,
> because once the container is open, it takes too long to eat it and
> food spoilage/bugs can become an issue.  He told me where to get the
> 5 gallons pails locally; they sell them "cheap" as the crop
pickers
> use them.  (He told me the price, which is defintely cheaper than I
> used to pay in the city when I owned a business which required me
> buying those pails by the truckload to produce some things we sold.)
> 
> BEV - Can you explain the chemical process of this dry ice thing to
> me?  Clueless here...

It is carbon dioxide, which is heavier than air.  It simply displaces
the air in the bucket, pushing it out.  Less air, less spoilage.  Less
air, living, air breathing critters (even eggs) suffocate.   In a bucket
of say rice, there are air spaces between the kernels of rice.  The dry
ice pushes out all that air and displaces it with carbon dioxide, so it
works throughout the bucket, not just in the airspace on the top.
I've found that the gamma seal lids were worth the price(I paid about $5
each for them) to keep food fresh.  I store my flour in 5 gallon
buckets, and the gamma seal (plus some bay leaves) keeps out weevils and
bugs.

> Other things I observed,  He had tons of tires along the fence lines
> filled with soil.  I asked if for potatoes,,,, no it was to divert
> flood water around his property away from his gardens.

Interesting idea.


> 
> (He gave me this tip to start potatoes - put whole potato in a paper
> sack with either one whole apple or one whole banana.  Close up the
> sack.  Wait until the eyes sprout, then cut into pieces, let those
> pieces dry out - then plant.)  Does that sound about right?

Apples produce ethylene gas, which ripens fruit and makes potatoes and
other crops 'sprout' eyes.  Yes.


> 
> He told me that 2 years ago all the mice have disappeared from the
> area, and says that the little animals leave before a volcano....
> LOL.
> 
> Anyway, it was sure fun to meet these two - although mostly it is the
>  husband's projects, as the wife doesn't do much,,,, she
doesn't even
>  cook or wash dishes (claims allergies....)

Perhaps the woman is chemically sensitive, but perhaps she uses that to
avoid work?  I'm glad you found a kindred spirit, Leslie.  You can learn
a lot from someone like that.

B


-- "The world is my country, all mankind are my
 brethren, and to do good is my religion."
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That is something I have never noticed before...........
 
OK, off to get some productive work done....  :-)

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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Fear & Loathing , new Peter Schiff interview, 
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Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 3:31 PM

No, depends on the station.  Our station has two pumps.  One is for off-road 
and one is for on-road.  You don't have to have it delivered.  Now,
locally, 
we don't have off-road gas but where we used to live, we also had off-road 
gas tanks for the farmer that didn't have diesel run equipment.  It was a 
card-lock station and those farmers had special forms they filled out and 
got a special card for the off-road gas pump.

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


A friend of mine in N. FL, a former trucker many many years ago, called me 
last month. Said that he had received 2 phone calls from 2 different people 
trying to give him trucks, just take over payments..... They will be real 
cheap in a few years..... for those foolish enough to buy. But then oil 
supply destruction comes into play.

Yes, rail should be used more. I don't know if Buffet is super smart or 
not.... but a couple years ago he did start buying up a few railroads. Maybe 
he is anticipating decreased rail use down the road.

Ah, true on diesel delivered to farms, no road tax on that one. My error.
Only tax on farm vehicles filled up at the local gas stations.


I would definitely have concerns about all kinds of increasing taxes under a 
hyperinflation scenario. I would not trust the government to keep things as 
they have been when government becomes desperate.



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Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 2:32 PM

Ah, Leslie, farmers don't pay tax on diesel for tractors.  Increasing taxes
won't hurt them in the least.

And that would be my point about the trucking industry which is a major 
waste
of fuel.  If you look around the countryside you'll see old off-loading
platforms all over the place on the rail lines.  They are all now defunct
because of the gas hungry trucking industry.  The day of the trucker is fast
approaching a realistic demise.  Trucks should be used for short haul only!

Lynda



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Leslie, one of my first summers here, I took a couple of eggs and cracked 
them on the street in front of my residence, to see if I could 'fry an egg' 
on the pavement.  The answer is 'yes'.............................

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--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:


> Ahhh, that's a good one !!! 
> 
>  
> In the desert  summer, I'll just sit the jars
> outside.... J/K  ----  :-)
> It isn't quite that hot here in the high
> desert............ might be that hot by Bob though
>