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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

The problem with not smoking, not drinking and eating right is that no one 
actually knows what is bad and what isn't.  For instance butter was 
considered very bad several years ago and not is not bad.  Same with eggs.  
Also drinking red wine is now suppose to be good for you.  You are relying on 
scientists to tell you what is bad and what is not and they don't know 
themselves

--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Living the good life on 5000 a year
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 6:45 PM

> >Don't smoke,
> don't drink, eat right and maybe 70 percent of illnesses will pass you
> by.
> 

Or   maybe 97%  or maybe more.

It is a function of our diverse philosophies.  Some see genetics as much more 
mechanical than it is.  Emerging research, and especially emerging 
enlightenment, shows that our experiences and our attitudes actually change 
our
genes as 
much if not more so than vice versa.

For example, new idenitcal twin studies show that although they are more or 
less genetically identical at birth, by the time they are adults, they have 
begun to genetically diversify and are no longer genetically identical.

In our modern world there are those who are invested in being sick no matter 
what.  It is a part of their identity and personality.  Likewise there are 
those who are invested in being well no matter what.  It is part of their 
identity and personality.  To those with a mechanistic view of the universe 
and
a 
mechanistic view of the human being, these people are just "lucky". 
But to those 
with a different focus on reality, those people are creating the atmosphere 
and probability of their own health.

James (The most worderful thing about James's is I'm the only one!)
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People in power , first, protect themselves and their power.  The people 
living in the cities will be of much greater concern to them thean people 
living in the "fringe" areas.  They already are now, and will be more-so as 
times become worse.  That is simply using reason.  Ruralites have very little 
power 'now'.  When things really unravel, they will have 'none'.

Maybe your semi-isolation will afford you a few extra, days, weeks, months, 
of security.  But, that's all.  If I really thought that moving to a steady 
isolated place was 'the' answer, my decision wopuld already be made.  The 
problem is , there are no real isolated areas outside of the West, far enough 
away from major metropolitan areas to really be considered, by me, safe.  
Safer,- sure- but, not safe.

Look at what has happened now.  All of these great minds -- the best and the 
brightest-- have destroyed our economy and our culture.  Cost us trillions  
and trillions.  They are the biggest losers in history; the biggest thieves 
in history; the worst human parasites in history.  \\

Have they lost their wealth and/ or power?

Now; Have the people who were frugal and rational benefitted from their 
frugality and rationality?

The answer to both is 'No".

Nobody in power cares about you or James or Bev or my brothers or my parents. 
And, they only care about me, right now, in the sense that I vote in a 
densely populated city in a  swing state.  The idea that today, you or I are 
being 'represented' in any way that the Constitution demanded, is an 
illusion, soon to give up its veneer.

When the people in the city become hungry they will go to the suburbs and 
take what they want, and then to the exurbs, and then to the countryside.  Do 
you think that when people are hungry, hot , and dirty that they will respect 
your private property rights?  Do you think the government will all of a 
sudden begin to care?

I am the 'fringe'.  Read my thoughts.  I just don't believe living "x" miles 
from a metro area makes you much safer than when you lived in downtown 
Phiolly.  At the right time, you would have needed to leave Philly; but that 
could also be the case in the exurb where you live now.
I think Don's 'bedouin' idea , until the last minute, is sounding smarter and 
smarter..................bobford


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--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:


>
> What do you mean by "false sense of security"?
> Because we think we will come  out OK when thimgs fall apart?  I think that 
> 'we'(the fringe) are so fed up with the way things are that we welcome 
> major change, no matter how painful it may be. Just wanting and being ready 
> for the kinds of change Kuntsler talks about gives us the advantage. I 
> can't be responsible for people who choose to live in the city; they will 
> have to find their own way. It will be sad times, moreso for some than 
> others. The more immersed one is in the  status quo, the harder change will 
> be.
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga Co. PA
>