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  • From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
  • To: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash smart cards fortransportation
  • Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:37:02 -0800 (PST)

This is a 'different' smart card. It is not the same as buying smart cards
for train or bus in Phoenix, Philly, etc. PA already has the old form of
smart card. The person who submitted this link was from PA. This system is
based on the UK system.

Your phone, CC, smart card, etc, to pay for fare, must be able to identify
you. You can not buy a smart card in UK for cash with no id. Same is
available with these new systems. Part of the patr iot a*t crap gives them
the excuse to know who goes where and when.

Amtrak no longer allows cash anonymous ticket purchaess . Try to buy a
plane ticket today, with cash and no ID. This is not the old bus-pass smart
card. It will be here, too. That article just happened to be in
PA............bobford


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--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash smart cards
> fortransportation
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 2:26 PM
> NYC and DC have used the 'smart cards' for their
> transit systems for years. They have vending machines that
> take credit cards or cash.
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford"
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:47 PM
> Subject: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash
> smart cards fortransportation
>
>
> > This started in Britain a couple of years ago, now,
> tokyo, and moving into american cities, like here in SE PA
> taking bids to implement. PA is begging for bailout money
> (like my hometown) but has the money to implement these
> cities to further erode our privacy.
> >
> > It sounds innocuos enough on its face. But, The end
> result is the ability of gov't or corporate (both
> really, they are now so incestuous) to track and record your
> every move. Where these have been in place for a while,
> there is no anonymity. You cannot buy one with cash. You
> must use payment form that identifies who you are.
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Pennsylvania
> >
> >
> > Posted on Tue, Nov. 11, 2008
> >
> >
> > SEPTA puts out call for "smart card"
> proposals
> > By Paul Nussbaum
> >
> > Inquirer Staff Writer
> >
> > SEPTA has issued its long-awaited call for bids on an
> ambitious new electronic "smart card"
> fare-collection system, with plans to award a contract in
> the spring.
> > The system will replace the tokens, tickets and
> magnetic-stripe cards that passengers use on buses, subways,
> trains and trolleys.
> >
> > SEPTA's request for proposals, issued Friday, is
> intentionally vague, leaving many specifics of how the
> system will work up to the companies that offer to build it.
> But the agency said it wanted a system that will allow
> passengers to use credit cards, prepaid SEPTA cards, even
> cell-phones to pay for their trips.
> >
> > With a "smart card," passengers will be able
> to wave a card at a sensor on a turnstile or fare box and be
> on their way.
> >
> > It will be several years before a new system can be
> built and installed. Cost estimates have ranged as high as
> $100 million, although SEPTA urged bidders to offer
> innovative financing proposals, such as public-private
> partnerships, to reduce the cost to the agency.
> >
> > The biggest challenge may be designing a system that
> works well on Regional Rail, since rail passengers do not
> enter through a single gate or door.
> >
> > SEPTA told bidders they must come up with a system
> that addresses rail fare-collection "in a
> customer-friendly manner."
> >
> > "SEPTA is really in uncharted territory
> here," said Matthew Mitchell of the Delaware Valley
> Association of Rail Passengers, noting that other transit
> agencies have not devised a high-tech system to collect rail
> fares.
> >
> > Mitchell said "it is going to be very hard to
> improve on" the weekly and monthly passes that most
> regular rail commuters use. He said SEPTA should install
> simple vending machines at every rail station to accept
> credit-card payments.
> >
> > Another challenge will be to create a smart card
> compatible with those used by other transit agencies. PATCO,
> which operates commuter trains between Philadelphia and
> South Jersey, this year installed a smart-card system, and
> NJ Transit is in the early stages of designing one.
> >
> > Mayor Nutter's transportation chief, Rina Cutler,
> has said compatibility should be a high priority for
> SEPTA's fare system, so passengers can use a single card
> for travel, and perhaps even parking, throughout the region.
> >
> > The deadline for companies to submit fare-collection
> proposals to SEPTA is March 17. The agency hopes to award a
> contract by April, general manager Joseph Casey said last
> month.
> >
> >
> http://www.nfcnews.com/2008/11/11/septa-puts-out-call-for-smart-card-proposals
> >
> >
> >
> >
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