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  • From: "Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash smart cards fortransportation
  • Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:20:17 -0500

You can buy a Visa Gift Card almost anywhere. It's pre-loaded with money and doesn't require an ID. Couldn't it be used in the kiosks to buy a smart card? It's a stupid way to have to go about it, but it would let you remain anonymous. It's funny; the rest of the world is getting more plastic, and I'm trying to stop using credit cards and go back to all cash...cash is still the norm here, especially in one-to-one deals (hay, firewood, etc.) since so many people work under the table and don't want the money traceable.

Lynn Wigglesworth
----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: "Lynn Wigglesworth" <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>; <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash smart cards fortransportation


This is a 'different' smart card. It is not the same as buying smart cards for train or bus in Phoenix, Philly, etc. PA already has the old form of smart card. The person who submitted this link was from PA. This system is based on the UK system.

Your phone, CC, smart card, etc, to pay for fare, must be able to identify you. You can not buy a smart card in UK for cash with no id. Same is available with these new systems. Part of the patr iot a*t crap gives them the excuse to know who goes where and when.

Amtrak no longer allows cash anonymous ticket purchaess . Try to buy a plane ticket today, with cash and no ID. This is not the old bus-pass smart card. It will be here, too. That article just happened to be in PA............bobford


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--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash smart cards fortransportation
To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 2:26 PM
NYC and DC have used the 'smart cards' for their
transit systems for years. They have vending machines that
take credit cards or cash.

Lynn Wigglesworth

----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ford"
<bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: [Homestead] SE PA going to identifiable non-cash
smart cards fortransportation


> This started in Britain a couple of years ago, now,
tokyo, and moving into american cities, like here in SE PA
taking bids to implement. PA is begging for bailout money
(like my hometown) but has the money to implement these
cities to further erode our privacy.
>
> It sounds innocuos enough on its face. But, The end
result is the ability of gov't or corporate (both
really, they are now so incestuous) to track and record your
every move. Where these have been in place for a while,
there is no anonymity. You cannot buy one with cash. You
must use payment form that identifies who you are.
>
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> Pennsylvania
>
>
> Posted on Tue, Nov. 11, 2008
>
>
> SEPTA puts out call for "smart card"
proposals
> By Paul Nussbaum
>
> Inquirer Staff Writer
>
> SEPTA has issued its long-awaited call for bids on an
ambitious new electronic "smart card"
fare-collection system, with plans to award a contract in
the spring.
> The system will replace the tokens, tickets and
magnetic-stripe cards that passengers use on buses, subways,
trains and trolleys.
>
> SEPTA's request for proposals, issued Friday, is
intentionally vague, leaving many specifics of how the
system will work up to the companies that offer to build it.
But the agency said it wanted a system that will allow
passengers to use credit cards, prepaid SEPTA cards, even
cell-phones to pay for their trips.
>
> With a "smart card," passengers will be able
to wave a card at a sensor on a turnstile or fare box and be
on their way.
>
> It will be several years before a new system can be
built and installed. Cost estimates have ranged as high as
$100 million, although SEPTA urged bidders to offer
innovative financing proposals, such as public-private
partnerships, to reduce the cost to the agency.
>
> The biggest challenge may be designing a system that
works well on Regional Rail, since rail passengers do not
enter through a single gate or door.
>
> SEPTA told bidders they must come up with a system
that addresses rail fare-collection "in a
customer-friendly manner."
>
> "SEPTA is really in uncharted territory
here," said Matthew Mitchell of the Delaware Valley
Association of Rail Passengers, noting that other transit
agencies have not devised a high-tech system to collect rail
fares.
>
> Mitchell said "it is going to be very hard to
improve on" the weekly and monthly passes that most
regular rail commuters use. He said SEPTA should install
simple vending machines at every rail station to accept
credit-card payments.
>
> Another challenge will be to create a smart card
compatible with those used by other transit agencies. PATCO,
which operates commuter trains between Philadelphia and
South Jersey, this year installed a smart-card system, and
NJ Transit is in the early stages of designing one.
>
> Mayor Nutter's transportation chief, Rina Cutler,
has said compatibility should be a high priority for
SEPTA's fare system, so passengers can use a single card
for travel, and perhaps even parking, throughout the region.
>
> The deadline for companies to submit fare-collection
proposals to SEPTA is March 17. The agency hopes to award a
contract by April, general manager Joseph Casey said last
month.
>
>
http://www.nfcnews.com/2008/11/11/septa-puts-out-call-for-smart-card-proposals
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