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  • From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] post election night mayhem
  • Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:20:05 -0400


I amazes me that this country can't get it's act together with voter
registration and casting/counting votes. Bob, I don't think you have to
worry too much about them tracking you. They can't even figure out if a
dead person is voting.

Lynn Wigglesworth

bob ford wrote:
> There probably are some 'rigged' elections: Bad machines, incorrect
> procedures, dead people voting. The idea that it is prevalent enough to
> decide a national election in favor of republicans is just not valid.
>
> Most of these problems happen in large urban areas which are usually
> controlled by urban activist democrats. Diebold is not even an issue ,
> this year. And, if their spokesman hadn't made a stupid statement, it
> would never have been an issue. I totally agree with you about paper
> trail, though. I voted on a paper ballot. ....bobford
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>
>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] post election night mayhem
>> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 1:53 PM
>> I honestly do believe that the machines (at least some of
>> them) are
>> rigged, or the vote is tampered with somewhere between the
>> machine and
>> the tabulation center. I've seen way too many credible
>> reports. My
>> candidate doesn't stand a snowballs chance of ever
>> winning, but more
>> than anything I hate lies, deception, and cheating, and
>> call it where
>> ever I think it's happening. I won't believe that
>> elections are fair
>> until there is a paper trail that allows every vote to be
>> counted and
>> recounted, even if it takes 2 months to name the winner.
>>
>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>>
>> bob ford wrote:
>>> You would have every right to 'scream' if it
>> happened to you. But it hasn't. Ever. Nor has it
>> happened to me or anyone with whom I have ever spoken .
>> Malfunctions do occur, but the hysteria around republican
>> ability to manipulate voting processes is based on nothing
>> more credible than urban legends.
>>> The 'fact' is that voting processes in most
>> states are overseen by democrats. Another fact is the
>> groups being investigated for 'actual' voter
>> registration fraud are 'democrats.
>>> I know you are 'independent. Please don't
>> buy into this "poor me, democrat who cant get his vote
>> counted" non-sense. If McCain pulls an upset and wins,
>> it will be because a lot of citizens, at the moment of
>> truth, decided that there could be good reson not to
>> completely trust Obama, OR to give 'all'
>> governmental power to one party. ....bobford
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
>>>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] post election night
>> mayhem
>>>> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:50 PM
>>>> It will be even worse if people actually SEE their
>> vote
>>>> flipped on the
>>>> machine, as apparently is already happening in
>> some of the
>>>> early voting.
>>>> Heck, if that happened to me, *I'd* be out
>> there
>>>> screaming. Civil unrest
>>>> is not ALWAYS a bad thing if people have a
>> legitimate
>>>> complaint. Since
>>>> 2000, people have been demanding a more
>> transparent voting
>>>> system.
>>>> Instead we get machines with "little black
>> boxes"
>>>> instead of accessible
>>>> code, and no paper trail (made by a company whose
>> CEO
>>>> promised to
>>>> deliver the election to Bush).
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/21/voting-fraud-fears-grow/
>> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/voting-machine.html
>>>> http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6540
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Wigglesworth
>>>>
>>>> bob ford wrote:
>>>>> Leading The News
>>>>>
>>>>> Police prepare for unrest
>>>>>
>>>>> By Alexander Bolton
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted: 10/21/08 07:58 PM [ET]
>>>>>
>>>>> Police departments in cities across the
>> country are
>>>> beefing up their ranks for Election Day, preparing
>> for
>>>> possible civil unrest and riots after the historic
>>>> presidential contest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Excerpts:
>>>>>
>>>>> ......" (James) Carville said earlier
>> this month
>>>> that “it would be very, very, very dramatic out
>> there”
>>>> if Obama lost, a statement some commentators
>> interpreted as
>>>> predicting riots.".............
>>>>> ........But Tate declined to describe what the
>>>> worst-case scenario might look like, speaking
>> gingerly like
>>>> other police officials who are wary of implying
>> that black
>>>> voters are more likely than other voting groups to
>> cause
>>>> trouble.................
>>>>> ...............Shelton, of the NAACP, said he
>>>> understands the need for police to maintain order.
>> But he is
>>>> also concerned that some political partisans may
>> point their
>>>> finger at black voters as potential troublemakers
>> because
>>>> the Democratic nominee is black..........
>>>>> ...........Some worry that if Barack Obama
>> loses and
>>>> there is suspicion of foul play in the election,
>> violence
>>>> could ensue in cities with large black
>> populations. Others
>>>> based the need for enhanced patrols on past riots
>> in urban
>>>> areas (following professional sports events) and
>> also on
>>>> Internet rumors.
>>>>> Democratic strategists and advocates for black
>> voters
>>>> say they understand officers wanting to keep the
>> peace, but
>>>> caution that excessive police presence could
>> intimidate
>>>> voters................"
>>>>>
>> http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police-prepare-for-unrest-2008-10-21.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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