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[Akka Homestead <akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com>]

Jerry B wrote:

>>   
> And I think this is probably the very worst scenario that could occur.  
> Finding alternatives for oil/coal/natural gas is imperative.

I totally agree about the alternatives.  It has to be a multi-prong attack.  
We have to open up resources, we have to start using alternatives, and we 
have to reduce our consumption, one way or another.  I think all of the 
candidates are for all of those things.  I did not and don't see a difference 
in either side there-Obama is saying the same thing as McCain when it comes 
to energy.  I chimed in because I did not see the need to bring Palin's 
religious beliefs into the discussion about energy.  Go back and read Don's 
comments about Palin.  Obama himself has been the one to say, let's stay with 
the issues and keep one's religious beliefs out of it..if he can do it, why 
can't his devotees on this list?


> My conclusion is that seeing that as many as possible survive what is 
> coming  should be our focus.  The fortunate thing is that these efforts 
> and actions happen to also provide the greatest here and now benefits, 
> regardless of what is to occur in the future.   No time wasted by 
> increased self-sufficiency, lowering energy needs, and alternative 
> life-styles.  Personally, I think underground and earth-bermed shelter 
> can also play a very significant role in assuring some make it through 
> the days ahead, as well as whatever we each can do to aid return carbon 
> back into the soil, including buying 'Organic'.  That we will make a 
> large enough concerted effort to turn the tide is not a given, for 
> certain.  Jerry B


And that, too.
Jerry, that makes too much sense.  You should run for President.  Can I write 
you in? ;)

Akka B




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Jerry, essentially what you are saying is that we are doomed, already.  
Because we will not do the things you say are imperative.  The only possible 
way to achieve what you suggest is to give up keep up a life that most will 
find acceptable   ---do you really think that people in New York are going to 
turn off the lights, people in Phoenix are going to turn off the A/C in 
summer; people in Denver are not going to use heating fuel in winter?---I 
don't think so......  We will use and burn every last drop of anything that 
will burn.  

You could be right about what we need to do for long term survival of the 
species.  I know other smart people who believe as you believe. And,  I know 
other smart people who think that "peak oil" can destroy civilization, and 
that global warming is not caused by humans.  I don't know which is correct, 
and although I'm curious to know the truth, I don't spend much time worrying 
that issue these days. 

 I'm much more concerned about  my so-called public servants teaming with the 
bankers and other money changers to  take away my freedoms as fast as they 
are stealing my money.  I would not trust those bastards who recommend 
turning off my a/c when they live in 14,000 sq.ft houses and fly around by 
private jet.

I watch my use of resources and try to be a good steward of my properties and 
of the resources I on which I depend.  But, I have no illusion that my 
actions will make a difference.  Most people are out to get what they can get 
now, and act accordingly.

You can put a bag of bananas in cage with a bunch of  nasty monkeys and they 
will eat the bananas until they are gone.  If you wash and groom the monkeys 
and then dress them in Brooks Brothers seersucker suits before you put them 
back in the cage, they will still eat all of the bananas.    We will use up 
all of the oil.  It is our nature...........................bobford



----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry B <liberty AT kaballero.com>
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Enjoy the quiet while it lasts...


>  
And I think this is probably the very worst scenario that could occur.  
Finding alternatives for oil/coal/natural gas is imperative. Even then, 
given 100% success at this, we are cooked meat unless means are also 
found to remove excessive CO2 in the air put there by humans over the 
last 100 years. I ................................
. This soon will obviously 
overshadow any other challenge we face for survival.  'Peak Oil' is the 
best thing we got going for us. "Drill, drill, drill" would be about the 
worst, especially in the long run. I am tending to agree with Letterman. 
  


My conclusion is that seeing that as many as possible survive what is 
coming  should be our focus.  
certain.  Jerry B