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[WILLIAM <billymegab AT yahoo.com>]

Sounds good to me.   Will definitely give it a whirl.  Hopefully the weeds 
won't regenerate from the roots.   Use 1001 for the all purpose cleaner!

Gloria Morris <gloriamorris59 AT gmail.com> wrote:  Bill, I used straight white 
vinegar in a large hand sprayer. I sprayed the
entire plant. I found that if you spray on a sunny day, the kill rate was
much better. Not unlike Round-Up, vinegar works better in conjunction with
sunlight. On a hot sunny day, the plants would wilt and blacken within a
very short time.

With the smaller, less mature plants, one spray was generally enough. Some
of the really large plants later resprouted and required a second visit with
the sprayer, and that is when I started kicking them - partly out of
frustration, and partly with the idea that spraying an acid on damaged
tissue would help speed the demise of the plant. It worked, but I didn't do
a side-by-side comparison of kicked plants vs. plants that were merely
sprayed. So kicking may just be something that satifies emotionally. ;)

I don't recall spraying any a third time - as I recall, I only had to patrol
the 30 acres one additional time to wipe out the tenacious thistles.

I also tried Round-Up, the first day of spraying. I was not sure which would
work better, so I sprayed a few with Round-Up and a few with plain white
vinegar. After waiting for the results, the vinegar was clearly better (and
a whopping lot cheaper), so I used the vinegar exclusively from that point
on.

I posted about my experience with the vinegar on a couple of forums,
including a large Organic Gardening list. I tried to interest the University
of Illinois in doing a controlled experiment, but could not find anyone who
was interested in pursuing it.

Another university later did a study on vinegar and confirmed that it is an
excellent weed killer. They noted in particular its efficacy against thistle
in particular.

Gloria


On 9/7/06, Bill Jones wrote:
>
> Did that work with regular white vinegar, or was it higher
> concentration? How often did you have to kill the top and for how long?
>
>
>
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That's what it's called in it's advanced stages!

rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:  Wasn't that diagnosed earlier as Alzheimers?

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It's also known as Adult Onset Attention Deficit Disorder!

Happens to the best of us!



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That's what it's called in it's advanced stages!

rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:  Wasn't that diagnosed earlier as Alzheimers?

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It's also known as Adult Onset Attention Deficit Disorder!

Happens to the best of us!



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At least cast iron is pretty cheap.

Marie
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Lynda wrote:

>
>Now, back to reality.  The Department of Ag removed it from the list of 
>permissible cover plants back in 1953 because of damage done by the plant, 
>so it hasn't been an acceptable plant for quite awhile.
>
>  
>
It's customary for Easterners to have no clue about our Western 
gardening conditions.  "It grows on cement" because in Georgia it rains 
4" a week!  Westerners have never seen kudzu, because it doesn't grow here.

There's a long tradition of government leaping to the rescue the moment 
agribusiness tycoons get together and squawk.  I guess it's not too bad, 
as long as local control is maintained.  But blanket rules made to cover 
an entire continent are ridiculous.

You might remember "pine blister rust".  Black currants were banned for 
decades.  I really don't care whether I ever see another black currant, 
but some of the banned plants are truly superlative in some way.  Take 
garlic mustard, for instance.  It's an old-time garden plant.  Its ban 
in the West is mostly speculative, based on something that happened on 
the other side of the continent (like kudzu).  People who can't keep 
dairy animals or use dairy products, for whatever reason, should eat two 
servings of deep-green leafy vegetables each day.  I'm sure if you 
consult the nutrition tables, you'll see there's no other natural way to 
get enough calcium.  Now, your suggestion for eating a half-pound of 
leaves per day (without butter) is:

1.  Oxalic acid vegetables, which are implicated in kidney stones
1a.  Spinach
1b.  Beet Greens
1c.  Orach, etc.

2.  Brassicas whose AITC content is known to deplete iodine from the body:
2a.  Kale
2b.  Collards (boy am I salivating now!)
2c.  Turnip Greens, etc.

3.  Chives (my favorite choice, but too bad they're dormant half the year)

4.  Garlic Mustard (a Brassica whose plant defenses are based on good 
old allyl sulfide)

5.  Stinging Nettle

I'd continue, but after this the choices can get a little disgusting.  
We like this little plant called Geum urbanum (wood avens), a non-native 
invasive from Europe.  _You_ can eat carrot tops, if any can be found on 
a winter's day!

Recently Oregon lifted the ban on home filbert cultivation.  After years 
with and without the ban, someone realized that it's really the vast 
contiguous acreage of filbert monoculture in a foggy Willamette Valley 
without wind --the same reason they need to bring in fans just for 
pollination-- that could be to blame for the blight.  Anyway, the silly 
ban on filberts is over.  Imagine the gall in assuming that their 
"professional" filbert trees would be healthy and mine would be 
diseased.  Maybe the real lesson is about trying to run agribusiness as 
an employee-free monoculture, with the owner somewhere else.

I'm sure none of the zombs realized it, but they got on my bad side when 
they tried to ban yet another superlative plant.  Filberts and almonds 
hold the distinction of providing the greatest amount of vitamin E of 
any tree nut, and if you'll consult the tables, you'll see that this 
vitamin isn't that easy to get from most foods.

Unfortunately, on the "weed list" we also have some more superlative 
plants, like yellow nutsedge, whose roots have more oil content than 
those of any other plants.  I've never seen it where it wasn't planted, 
and it's a water hog too.  That would be like most of the plants on the 
list, which are unknown down here on the coast.  Ivory tower types 
really need to get out more, and visit places other than the Klamath or 
Willamette Valley.

Bill
S. Oregon coast