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[WILLIAM <billymegab AT yahoo.com>]

Canadian Thistle......Now now!  No disparaging Canadian remarks PLEASE!  
  Canada Geese on the other hand....now that's a whold other matter
   
  William
  (deep in the Canadian heartland)   
  Thistle    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  
   
    
             
flowering Thistle


  Thistle is the common name of a polyphyletic group of flowering plants 
characterised by leaves with sharp spines on the margins, mostly in the plant 
family Asteraceae.
  The thistle, in particular Onopordum acanthium (the cotton thistle or 
Scotch thistle), is the national flower of Scotland, and is featured in many 
Scottish symbols and logos. Legend has it that a Viking attacker stepped on 
one at night and cried out, so alerting the defenders of a Scottish castle.
  Genera in the Asteraceae with the word thistle often used in their common 
names include:
    
   Arctium – Burdock   
   Carduus – Thistle   
   Carlina – Carline thistle   
   Centaurea – Star thistle   
   Cicerbita – Sow thistle   
   Cirsium – Thistle   
   Cnicus – Blessed thistle   
   Cynara – Artichokes, Cardoon thistle   
   Echinops – Globethistle   
   Notobasis – Syrian thistle   
   Onopordum – Cotton thistle, also known as Scotch thistle   
   Scolymus – Golden thistle or oyster thistle   
   Silybum – Milk thistle   
   Sonchus – Sow thistle 
.

Bill Jones <billj AT harborside.com> wrote:
  My God, Bev, we're already guilty! Everyone who has a Himalayan 
blackberry in the hedgerow is a criminal. Can skyrocketing weed killer 
stock dividends be far behind?

Thanks for alerting us to the extent of the nannies' fascism. This is 
the vegetable kingdom's NAIS, and its insidious appearance in our 
once-free society stems from the same nanny principle. Some people 
believe in banning everything which *might* cause harm for someone 
somewhere. I once argued with one kook on this list until she admitted 
that she would like to see matches and lighters banned, because they 
*might* cause harm.

Now for a dose of reality. It's very unlikely that kudzu would thrive 
here without constant watering. This part of Oregon is bone-dry in 
summer. I predict it doesn't stand a chance. If it ever did thrive 
here, it's easily eradicated by cattle (as is Himalayan berry, after a 
single mowing). Contrast this with Canadan thistle (or gorse, if you're 
right on the beach), our one true weed (which I'm now a criminal for 
ignoring as I passed it in the pasture this morning).

What I love is when the fantasy-land do-gooders try to tell us, for 
instance, that it's necessary to kill all the fish in a river, so that 
they can eradicate the "non-natives" (even if they're feeding people). 
Then there's another set of kooks who believe that pornography has to 
banned, because it *might* cause a rape. Think of how it could enhance 
one's tight-fisted control over both spouse and children, to bring back 
the good ol' laws against fornication!

Something's got to be done to keep our nannies from taking over.

Signed,
Shocked in Oregon

SISU! wrote:

>http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:GEBV1TDM_YwJ:www.oregon.gov/ODA/PLANT/docs/pdf/603_052_1200.pdf+kudzu+transport+sale+oregon&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
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>Bill, check out section 4a-4c on the above page. It is illegal to 
>purchase Kudzu in the state of Oregon. Just trying to keep you out of 
>trouble....
>
>Bev
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>Bill Jones wrote:
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>>I did manage to find a source for kudzu, another leguminous root crop 
>>that we've thought about:
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One person's weed is another's useful herb.

Where kudzu wasn't hideously invasive, I imagine it could be a quite useful
plant! In my new home in Missouri, kudzu is a serious pest to be battled, as
it is attempting to take over the forest and native trees, choking out
large, mature trees and killing them. If I lived in a climate where kudzu
didn't grow so rampantly and invasively, I would probably like the plant, as
it is attractive and has some useful attributes.

Back in Illinois, I did battle with Canadian thistle and won. We bought 30
acres of land with a serious infestation of Canadian thistle that had almost
completely overtaken pasture and alfalfa fields. Brush hogging was not
enough to control it. I ended up spraying the individual plants with vinegar
to kill them, as that way I had minimal kill of the desired grasses, and the
grasses quickly filled in the spots where the thistle had been. It took a
long time to spray the whole 30 acres by hand (OMG did it take time!!!!!!!),
but the results were outstanding. Where the thistle wasn't invasive, I
imagine that many folks would appreciate the plant in smaller colonies.

YMMV,

Gloria