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  • From: "Phil Campbell" <philcam AT tpg.com.au>
  • To: "Kata Markon" <gmark AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: Re: Mark 13.30 "tauta panta"& "hey genea"
  • Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:28:48 +1000


Again, why are you insisting that he's talking about the RETURN of the Son
of Man to EARTH? The Son of Man will come in the clouds TO THE HEAVENLY
THRONE. I think he DID that.

Phil Campbell
Mitchelton Presbyterian Church
Queensland Australia

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To: "Kata Markon" <gmark AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, 3 January 2001 10:37 pm
Subject: [gmark] Re: Mark 13.30 "tauta panta"& "hey genea"


> Larry,
>
> What you presented does seem to be the straightforward interpretation of
the
> text. Which is also the problem
>
> The immanancy of the return of the Son of Man is as immanent as summer to
the
> budding fig tree (which blooms in late spring).
>
> But all of the things described in 13.5-23 had occurred in the first
century,
> yet the return of the Son of Man, as written about in vs 24-27, did not
occur
> in the first century. Yet, the solemnity of the assurance in v.30 negates
>
> making the prediction an error.
>
> So there is a problem...
>
> In a message dated 1/3/01 6:04:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> hurtadol AT div.ed.ac.uk writes:
>
> >
> > It is worth noting that the "ta panta" of Mark 13:30 probably relates
> > back to the initial ref to "ta panta" in 13:4, which refers to the
> > destruction of the temple, alluded to again in 13:29 "tauta".
> > Moreover, *the* fig tree of 13:28 is likely the Markan fig tree of
> > 11:13-14, which is in Mark sandwiched with the incident in the
> > temple in chap. 11.
> > So, 13:30 may mean that "all things" involving the destruction of
> > the temple will happen "in this generation". The return of the Son
> > of Man is placed after "these things" (13:29) and after the
> > tribulation of the temple's destruction (13:24).
> > Larry Hurtado
> >
>
>
>
> Peace to you,
> Harry Staiti
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