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Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses

From: "Greg London" <email AT greglondon.com>
To: "Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts" <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:45:55 -0500 (EST)

> Greg, you do not specifically address his point though.
> I think from what you are saying, you would tell him to
> just use BY-NC and he will get the same bang for the
> buck as BY-NC-SA, the thing is, he is considering only
> BY-NC-ND or BY-NC-SA.

And I'm saying CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-SA are
effectively the same, but the "SA" is just extra
baggage. And it dilutes the meaning of share alike.
CC-BY-NC and CC-BY-NC-SA are both market economy licenses,
they both retain a commercial advantage tot he original
creator, and neither will ever be the seed for any
gift economy.

How the licenses work legally may be different,
but out in the wild, the way people use NC and NC-SA
will be essentially the same.

If someone can show me an example of a NC-SA gift economy,
then I'll change my tune, but until then, I see no
reason to believe the public will treat NC-SA any
different than NC.

The author may consider them different.
But I don't think the public does.

Greg
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Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses , (continued)
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/02/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Ŭalabio‽, 03/02/2006
  - Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/03/2006
    - Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, rob, 03/03/2006
      - Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Mike Linksvayer, 03/03/2006
      - Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/04/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/07/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/07/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/07/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/07/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/07/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/07/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, drew Roberts, 03/07/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Stefan Tiedje, 03/22/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/22/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/25/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Ali Baba, 03/25/2006
        
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/25/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Jonathon Blake, 03/25/2006
        Re: [cc-licenses] NonDerivative NonCommercial Licenses, Greg London, 03/28/2006