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> > Steven, have you attempted or do you plan to
> > get Seamonkey working in BL2?
>
> No, I am reasonably happy with Firefox 1.5.
> If there were a browser-only Seamonkey package,
> I might try that.  But I am not interested in
> the bells-and-whistles Seamonkey.

The 'full' package by default loads only the browser.  You can set 
preferences to also load other things.

Exactly what libraries did you need to add to BL2 for Firefox 1.5 and from 
what version(s) of Slackware?

I just loaded www.landsend.com with
Firefox 1.5.0.12, Opera 9.63 and Seamonkey 1.1.15
accepting all images.  They all took about 40 second.

Memory usage as a percentage of my 1GB (of which the kernel only sees 
768K) to keep this one page in memory.  (I think tabbed browsing would 
make the number go up with multiple pages displayed).  Seamonkey I think 
does load all five programs - navigator, mail/news, address book, 
composer, IRC.  (It may be the older official version 1.0.5 which I think 
was mislabelled 1.1.15 that installs itself to /usr/bin, which lets you 
load just the parts you want, and sets that feature during installation, 
but I deleted that version because it was said to be less secure).

Firefox - 4.5% x 768MB = 35MB
Opera 9.63 - 3.7%        28MB (what I measured on a laptop with 32MB)
Seamonkey - 3.1%         24MB
Opera 8.54 used even less memory (18MB?).

Opera seems to load slightly faster.

Seamonkey is a separate branch of Mozilla that is lighter on resources. 
I think it also loaded faster that Firefox.  The pages look very similar, 
but it needs far fewer dependencies.

The main advantages are speed of loading, lower memory usage, and fewer 
dependencies.

http://ilias.ca/SeamonkeyvsFirefox  Seamonkey 1.1 vs Firefox 2
(which suggests Seamonkey 1.1.15 is newer than Firefox 1.5).
Seamonkey is said to have more keyboard shortcuts. 
Seamonkey but not Firefox has under tools a way to manage cookies, popups, 
images and forms.


> > Can I upgrade libX11 by just changing the
> > libraries in /usr/X11/lib to those from
> > Slackware 9.1 to match the SW91 glibc 2.3.2
>
> I suppose that would work, but I'm not sure
> it is necessary.

So what is keeping Seamonkey from getting past the locale error?
The only suggestion that made sense was a glibc/libX11 incompatibility. 
Seamonkey precompiled needs glibc 2.3.2 (Slackware 9.1).

> > in case this is some i18n (UTF?) incompatibility
> > problem and glibc has to match libX?
>
> I'm not sure that is your problem.

Please help to figure it out.  Seamonkey might work on our laptops with 
32MB memory and swap file (no images loaded).  Maybe version 1.0.5 would 
use even less memory (Navigator only).  But they warn about security.

You can download this choose-what-to-install version of what they claim is 
1.1.15 (but Help says is 1.1.05) from the Download and Releases page. I 
know it needed pango and cairo but I think it is GTK1.
1.1.15 Official Build Linux Full Installer 14MB.
Or tar.gz 15MB. Maybe that would unpack and run from a single directory?.
I should have kept a copy of the installer for reference but was getting 
confused by it. It has lots more dependencies not found in BL2 (similar to 
Firefox 3). Maybe it will work in BL2 for you now that you have Firefox 
1.5 libraries. I don't know if it needs glibc 2.3.6.

The unofficial download of the full 1.1.15 was about 12MB.

> > Slackware 11 does work but it requires glibc 2.3.6,
>
> glibc 2.3.6 provides a good foundation.  It is
> the library that I am currently using on my BL2
> installation (along with a 2.4 kernel).

Please could you let me know if Seamonkey works with glibc 2.3.6 (and the 
two extra libraries from any Slackware  - libgcc_s and libstdc++.so.5) 
before I do an upgrade?  If that fixes the problem I will be happy to 
download it and upgrade.

> > I don't want the entire enormous Xfree 4.3.0 package
>
> AFAIK it doesn't matter what library you are
> using for your Xserver -- it doesn't need to
> match the library of your X applications.
> For example, it should be possible to run X
> applications compiled for glibc2 on an Xserver
> compiled for libc5 (that assumes, of course,
> that both glibc2 and libc5 are present).
>
> > Any other ideas?
>
> I suspect the problem you are having with Seamonkey
> is caused by cherry-picking libraries from different
> versions of Slackware.  IIRC one  of the libraries
> you needed for Seamonkey you took from Slackware 11.

No, they are from SW71 (X libraries), SW81 (libgcc_s), SW90 
(libstdc++.so.5) and SW91 (glibc 2.3.2).  Nothing from SW11, but I am 
using Seamonkey and Firefox in SW11 because they won't load in BL2 for me. 
Seamonkey has all the dependencies.  I hoped changing to SW9.1 libX might 
help make things work. They do not need later than glibc 2.3.6.  I get no 
complaints about dependencies, just libX locale, which web research 
suggests really is a problem with X libraries and locale.  Please see my 
relevant posting. Other people got this same error and refusal to run X 
programs when they upgraded glibc.

> I suspect that if you do ldd on that library, it
> will be dependent on glibc 2.3.6.  IIRC you were
> still using an earlier glibc.  If that was case,
> the library you took from Slackware 11 might have
> malfunctioned (because it expected glibc 2.3.6).

I did not take any libraries from Slackware 11.

Please could you see if Seamonkey 1.1.15 unofficial build works with your
BL2 with glibc 2.3.6 before I upgrade to it?  Which X libraries do you 
have - Slackware 7.1 or something later?  libstdc++.so.5 from where?

The neighbor with broadband (via wireless from across the street) will 
download Slackware 11 to CD for me.  (I have it preinstalled on a hard 
drive from someone now).

> Cheers,
> Steven
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