Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Rolf" <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>]

Dear Ken,

Proverbs 18:13 NAB says, "He who answers before he hears—his is the folly and 
the shame." I should have looked more carefully at Doug's question before I 
commented on your post.


Best regards,


Rolf Furuli
Stavern
Norway


Tirsdag 11. Juni 2013 13:07 CEST skrev Ken Penner <kpenner AT stfx.ca>:

> Thanks, John. Also, Rolf, note the question was regarding the Septuagint, 
> not the other Greek translations by Symmachus, Aquila, or Theodotion.
> I am writing a commentary in Brill’s Septuagint Commentary series, on the 
> Isaiah in the Codex Sinaiticus, a manuscript copied in the mid-fourth 
> century. You can see the manuscript and transcriptions at 
> http://codexsinaiticus.org
>
>
> Ken M. Penner, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Religious Studies
> 2329 Notre Dame Avenue, 409 Nicholson Tower
> St. Francis Xavier University
> Antigonish, NS  B2G 2W5
> Canada
> (902)867-2265
> kpenner AT stfx.ca
>
>
>
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John Leake
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:51 AM
> To: Rolf
> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
>
> Do read the question, Rolf. 500AD.
>
>
> John Leake
>
> ----------------------------------
> ان صاحب حياة هانئة لا يدونها انما يحياها
> He who has a comfortable life doesn't write about it - he lives it
> ----------------------------------
>
> On 11 Jun 2013, at 11:35, "Rolf" 
> <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no<mailto:rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>> wrote:
> Dear Ken,
>
> Your comments are misleading, because you ignore the graphic evidence. The 
> correct sequence is:
>
> LXX: YHWH, IAO.
> NT: ???.
> Vulgate:Dominus.
>
> For the record, I would like to add that Jerome, who translated the 
> Vulgate, wrote regarding LXX manuscripts:"The teragram, the name of God, we 
> find in particular Greek scrolls today in old characters." (Prologus 
> Galeatus. Migne PL 28.594f.)  Origen wrote: "In the most exact copies the 
> name is found in Hebrew characters, not in the characters of today, but in 
> old  characters." (Origen on Psalm 2,1. Migne, PG 12, 1104).
>
> The Greek translations of Aquila (c. 130 CE), Theodotion (second century 
> CE), and Symmacus (near the end of the second century CE) all have the name 
> of God written as PIPI; Aquila also used Paleo-Hebrew Tetragrams. These 
> three translations were included in Origen's Hexapla. Jerome says regarding 
> PIPI: "The tetragram, which is regarded as inexpressible,, is written in 
> these letters, yod, he, waw, he, which leads certain people who do not 
> understand it to read PIPI, because of the similarity with its elements, 
> when they find it in Greek letters." (Ep. 25, ad Marcellum. CSEL 54, 219)
>
> I would also mention that Syro-Hexapla (an extremely literal Syriac 
> translation of a part of Origen's Hexapla) has MRY) (Marya "lord) instead 
> of YHWH. In the marigins of some Syro-Hexapla manuscripts we find HEHE and 
> in others PIPI. This suggests that tetragrams in Paleo-Hebrew and Aramaic 
> script were found in LXX manuscripts and probably also in Syraiac 
> manuscripts.
>
> So, in addition to the fact that all LXX manuscripts up to 50 CE have YHWH 
> or IAO, there is evidence that God's name continued to be used in Greek and 
> Syraic manuscripts for several centuries CE.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Rolf Furuli
> Stavern
> Norway
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tirsdag 11. Juni 2013 02:26 CEST skrev Ken Penner 
> <kpenner AT stfx.ca<mailto:kpenner AT stfx.ca>>:
>
>
> LXX: Kyrios. NT: Kyrios. Vulgate: Dominus.
>
> Ken M. Penner, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor, Religious Studies
> 2329 Notre Dame Avenue, 409 Nicholson Tower
> St. Francis Xavier University
> Antigonish, NS  B2G 2W5
> Canada
> (902)867-2265
> kpenner AT stfx.ca<mailto:kpenner AT stfx.ca>
>
>
>
>
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>  [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Belot
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:16 PM
> To: Rev. Bryant J. Williams III; Rolf; 
> b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
>
> Could I please ask the question this way , if I lived in the year 500ad , 
> and I had  copy of the LXX  and the New Testament and the  Vulgate , how 
> would I read the name of God in these three Bibles .
>
> Would I see YHWH put in brackets in any verses.
>
> doug belot
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:28 PM
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> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
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