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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:00:09 +1000
Hi Rolf,
RF: In the Tanakh, there are more than 6,000 occurrences of YHWH and more
than 700 of )DNY. In about 300 cases )DNY is immediately followed by YHWH,
which shows that )DNY is a title. In many instances, )DNY is used alone with
reference to God, and the same is true with )LHYM. Please give us some
examples from the Tanakh where )DNY is not used as a title for God, but
where it is used as a SUBSTITUTE for YHWH.
MS: Why would this be relevant? In the Tanak there's no clear indication that
the writers had an aversion to writing ××××, so why would we expect to
find anything other than ×××× when that is what they meant. The aversion
to speaking and writing the divine name appears to become widespread after
the production of the bulk, if not all, of the Tanak.
RF: And Similarly with the DSS. Please show where in the DSS manuscripts THAT
you refer to )DNY is used as a SUBSTITUTE for YHWH.
MS: Certainly. I think a case can be made for ×××× × is used in place of
×××× in the following sectarian texts (there may be more):
1QSb 1:3; 2:22; 3:1, 25; 5:23; 1QM 12:8, 18; 1QHa 5:15; 6:19, 34; 8:26; 10:5,
22, 33; 11:6, 20, 38; 12:6; 13:7, 22; 15:9, 29, 31, 37; 16:5; 17:38; 18:16;
19:30, 36; 1Q34bis f2+1:4, 6; 4Q200 f6:9; 4Q269 f16:7; 4Q384 f2:1; 4Q392
f1:3; 4Q410 f1:7; 4Q428 f9:1, 3; f10:11; f12i:4; 4Q432 f3:1; f12:4; 4Q434
f1i:1; 4Q435 f5:3â4; 4Q437 f1:1; f2i:13â15; 4Q459 f1:2; 4Q504 f1_2Rii:7;
f1_2Rvi:3, 10; f3ii:5; f4:14, 16; f5ii:3; f6:20; f8R:1; 4Q506 f124:3; 4Q507
f2:2; f3:1, 3; 4Q508 f2:2; f13:1; 4Q509 f3:9; f4:4; f10ii_11:7; f18:3;
f131_132ii:5; f206:1; f285:1; 4Q521 f2ii+4:3â5, 11; f2iii:3; f5i+6:4;
f7+5ii:2, 4, 7; f8:10, 11; f9:2; 4Q526 f1:1; 4Q527 f1:1; 4Q577 f4:2.
Of these, perhaps the clearest are those which quote or allude to biblical
passages. A couple of examples:
4Q437 f1:1
[×ר×× ]× ×¤×©× ×ת ×××× ×
compare Ps 103:1
×ר×× × ×¤×©× ×ת ××××
Similarly, 1QSb 3:1
××©× ×××× × ×¤× ×× ×××××
compare Num 6:26
××©× ×××× ×¤× ×× ××××
Regards,
Martin Shields.
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Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
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- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Ken Penner, 06/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Rev. Bryant J. Williams III, 06/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Belot, 06/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Rolf, 06/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., John Leake, 06/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Ken Penner, 06/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Rolf, 06/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Michael Abernathy, 06/10/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Belot, 06/11/2013
- [b-hebrew] the understanding is in the eye of the beholder, Isaac Fried, 06/12/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name..., Timothy Lawson, 06/12/2013
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