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- From: Dave Washburn <davidlwashburn AT gmail.com>
- To: Rolf <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>
- Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol
- Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 08:01:26 -0700
>Ken correctly observes that there is no distinction between WATYYIQTOL
and WEYIQTOL in the DSS. The same is true in the Greek >transcriptions of
the Hebrew text in Origen's Hexapla. Thus, the WAYYIQTOL form was not
known before the middle of the first millennium >CE., when the Masoretes
pointed the Hebrew text.
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Rolf <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no> wrote:
Dear Jerry,
I would like to add one point regarding the origin of WAYYIQTOL to the post I sent yesterday.
Ken correctly observes that there is no distinction between WATYYIQTOL and WEYIQTOL in the DSS. The same is true in the Greek transcriptions of the Hebrew text in Origen's Hexapla. Thus, the WAYYIQTOL form was not known before the middle of the first millennium CE., when the Masoretes pointed the Hebrew text.
(Please note that the Palestinian pointings of WEYIQTOLs versus WAYYIQTOLs are not always the same as in the MT. For example, in the Palestinian manuscript J in Paul Kahle, "Masoreten des Westens Texte und Untersuchungen zur Vormasoretischen Grammatik des Hebräischen," 1930, the six WEYIQTOLs in Daniel 11:5 (1), 15(2), 16(2), 17(1) are pointed as WAYYIQTOLs.
So, what was the origin of the WAYYIQTOL form? The Masoretes pointed their text on the basis of the recitation of the texts in the synagoges—on the basis of accentuation (stress) and tone. The difference between WEYIQTOL and WAYYIQTOL is basically one of accentuation. It is natural to put the stress differently in narrative texts compared with poetry and prophetic texts. Very little Hebrew grammar was known in the days of the Masoretes—it seems that they did not even know the three-radical nature of Hebrew words. So, the pointing of the Masoretes was based on pragmatics—the recitation in the synagogues and not om semantics—a grammatical distinction between different forms. But in the Middle Ages, the pragmatic pointing of the Masoretes were given a semantic interpretation (cf. Kimhi), and the view of the WAYYIQTOL as an independent grammatical form was born.
When semantic meaning and conversational pragmatic implicature are not distinguished, the result is confusion. Does anyone know of a single grammatical study in any of the ancient Semitic languages, except my dissertation, where this distinction is systematically made?
Best regards,
Rolf Furuli
Stavern
Norway
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Ken Penner, 05/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Ken Penner, 05/14/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Isaac Fried, 05/14/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Rolf, 05/14/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Isaac Fried, 05/14/2013
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Rolf, 05/15/2013
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John Leake, 05/15/2013
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- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Rolf, 05/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Rolf, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
John Leake, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Dave Washburn, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Rolf, 05/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, John Leake, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
John Leake, 05/15/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Rolf, 05/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, John Leake, 05/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Rolf, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Ken Penner, 05/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Ken Penner, 05/16/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Yigal Levin, 05/16/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Isaac Fried, 05/17/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol, Jerry Shepherd, 05/20/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
John Leake, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Rolf, 05/15/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Isaac Fried, 05/14/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] wayyiqtol,
Ken Penner, 05/14/2013
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